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Re: [Dillo-dev] Segfault using text selection?

by Phil Warner

On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:50:01 +0100 Sebastian Geerken <s.geerken(a)ping.de> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, Phil Warner wrote: > > I have experienced several segfaults with dillo using the new text > > selection feature. I include two instances from gdb below. > > > > This happens when I select text while some page is loading (typically > > when I get impatient while dl'ing a site). > > > > I hope this is informative enough. Let me know if I can test it more. > > A backtrace is always useful, and perhaps the values of some variables > in the context of the crash. The best is an exact description how to > reproduce the bug with a probability high enough for not getting > impatient ;-), but this is often quite hard. > > Anyway, I have just fixed a bug Andreas reported me (thanks for the > exact description!), from what I see (expecially in the second > example), this looks quite similar to your problems. Please read the > newest CVS and test again. > > Sebastian Hi Sebastian, On initial inspection, the bug appears to be fixed. Thanks! --Phil ------------------------------ Mother is the invention of necessity.

March 18, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Segfault using text selection?

by Sebastian Geerken

On Tue, Mar 18, Phil Warner wrote: > I have experienced several segfaults with dillo using the new text > selection feature. I include two instances from gdb below. > > This happens when I select text while some page is loading (typically > when I get impatient while dl'ing a site). > > I hope this is informative enough. Let me know if I can test it more. A backtrace is always useful, and perhaps the values of some variables in the context of the crash. The best is an exact description how to reproduce the bug with a probability high enough for not getting impatient ;-), but this is often quite hard. Anyway, I have just fixed a bug Andreas reported me (thanks for the exact description!), from what I see (expecially in the second example), this looks quite similar to your problems. Please read the newest CVS and test again. Sebastian

March 18, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Feature request

by Paul Pelzl

On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 07:50:57AM +1200, Stephen Lewis wrote: > On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:14:01 -0500 > Paul Pelzl <pelzlpj(a)eecs.umich.edu> wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 11:57:54AM +0100, Mechiel Lukkien wrote: > ... > > > Personally, i like to have this functionality in one place instead > > > of in each and every program: my window manager (currently pwm, but > > > at least fluxbox has this tabbing too). I have tabbing for my > > > xterms, browsers (dillo, opera and more), everything, it works > > > great. > > > > > > Or does tabbing inside the browser provide additional features? > > > > Tabbed browsing usually adds the ability to load links in the > > background, without leaving the current page. I find this to be very > > useful; for example, I can go to http://news.google.com, load all the > > interesting news in the background, and later go through all those > > pages one by one. There are very few window managers that can provide > > this ability (at least without having *every* window pop up in the > > background, which would be highly annoying). > > This is handled fairly well in Ion (hence probably PWM as well), you > can set windows to open in the background based on their WM_CLASS, so, > for example, you set all browser windows to open in the background, and > allow find dialog boxes to open in the foreground. That is true. However, you can hardly expect that most people will (1) switch to a highly unconventional WM like Ion and (2) figure out how to edit their "kludges.conf" textfile to enable this behavior. There are additional benefits to managing the tabs via the browser. The tabs can be updated to show whether or not the page is done loading, whether or not you have switched to a particular tab, etc. > I find tabbing in the browser gets in the way, and makes the program > unusuable since it's already done well in my window manager and needs > a different set of keybindings to do the same thing. If it's ever > implemented, please, please make it an option :) Of course I agree that this should *only* be an option. Actually, having functionality for both "open in new window" and "open in new tab" gives the user a lot more freedom for grouping information than would be available with only one of those two options. Paul

March 18, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Feature request

by TheStar

How would transparency be added, using the X window system, which AFAIK, does not support transparency? I quite like tabbed browsing, except current implementations are very slow (well, they work...) on the other browsers - haven't tried konqueror yet though. As to how these features are developed, I believe that dillo should be developed primarily as a gtk plugin, or set of plugins (such as bookmarks, ftp, and so on), and have multiple 'skins', or program interfaces. Much like gecko in Mozilla, galeon, and the like, or the khtml in safari or knoqueror. This would mean that dillo can potentially become more useful, and would also encourage more innovative ideas as rather than fiddle with code in the CVS, you could just make an app, using the dillo plugin, and you've made a browser! I would also like Dillo to have a windows port - but that's for later when the project matures ;) On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:05:24 +0000 (GMT) John Bradford <john(a)grabjohn.com> wrote: > > > All new browsers like Mozilla/Konquerer/Pheonix have the feature > > > Tabbed-Browsing, would be nice if dillo have this, too. > > > > Why oh why? Why don't you people use a window manager that does this? > > Window management is the window managers job for crying out loud. > > > > Try PekWM or PWM as an example of a good, tabbed window manager. > > Tabbed browsing isn't the only way to make more use out of the > available screen resolution. I think we should try to think of new > ideas instead of implementing features just because they are in > another browser. There wouldn't be any point in every single browser > having every single feature implemented exactly the same way, would > there? > > For example, (and I'm not suggesting we add this to Dillo, it would be > the job of the window manager to do it, but it's an example), imagine > that you could vary the transparancy of a window, possibly by using > the wheel on the mouse. You could open a semi-transparent window on > top of the search results from a search engine, click on the links in > the window underneath, and have them load in the top window. Or, you > could start a large page downloading, and browse other pages in > semi-transparent windows above it while you watched the progress of > the download of the large page in the background. > > Or, how about an option to open new windows automatically scrolled > past any initial graphics and large text, and with the main text at > the top of the window? For example, the Dillo home page would load > with the Dillo logo, and 'Welcome to Dillo Project!' text already > scrolled off the screen. This would be useful for people using low > resolutions, or slow machines. > > Another idea, why not have a mode where text links are replaced with a > small, say 160x120 graphic of what that link would look like rendered? > > John. > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev >

March 18, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Feature request

by Stephen Lewis

On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:14:01 -0500 Paul Pelzl <pelzlpj(a)eecs.umich.edu> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 11:57:54AM +0100, Mechiel Lukkien wrote: ... > > Personally, i like to have this functionality in one place instead > > of in each and every program: my window manager (currently pwm, but > > at least fluxbox has this tabbing too). I have tabbing for my > > xterms, browsers (dillo, opera and more), everything, it works > > great. > > > > Or does tabbing inside the browser provide additional features? > > Tabbed browsing usually adds the ability to load links in the > background, without leaving the current page. I find this to be very > useful; for example, I can go to http://news.google.com, load all the > interesting news in the background, and later go through all those > pages one by one. There are very few window managers that can provide > this ability (at least without having *every* window pop up in the > background, which would be highly annoying). This is handled fairly well in Ion (hence probably PWM as well), you can set windows to open in the background based on their WM_CLASS, so, for example, you set all browser windows to open in the background, and allow find dialog boxes to open in the foreground. I find tabbing in the browser gets in the way, and makes the program unusuable since it's already done well in my window manager and needs a different set of keybindings to do the same thing. If it's ever implemented, please, please make it an option :) I make the same argument against gestures in the browser also, they should really be implemented at a higher level (say GTK+, or XFree86) , rather than different implementations in each program that wants to use that feature. -- Stephen Lewis slewis(a)paradise.net.nz

March 18, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Feature request

by John Bradford

> > All new browsers like Mozilla/Konquerer/Pheonix have the feature > > Tabbed-Browsing, would be nice if dillo have this, too. > > Why oh why? Why don't you people use a window manager that does this? > Window management is the window managers job for crying out loud. > > Try PekWM or PWM as an example of a good, tabbed window manager. Tabbed browsing isn't the only way to make more use out of the available screen resolution. I think we should try to think of new ideas instead of implementing features just because they are in another browser. There wouldn't be any point in every single browser having every single feature implemented exactly the same way, would there? For example, (and I'm not suggesting we add this to Dillo, it would be the job of the window manager to do it, but it's an example), imagine that you could vary the transparancy of a window, possibly by using the wheel on the mouse. You could open a semi-transparent window on top of the search results from a search engine, click on the links in the window underneath, and have them load in the top window. Or, you could start a large page downloading, and browse other pages in semi-transparent windows above it while you watched the progress of the download of the large page in the background. Or, how about an option to open new windows automatically scrolled past any initial graphics and large text, and with the main text at the top of the window? For example, the Dillo home page would load with the Dillo logo, and 'Welcome to Dillo Project!' text already scrolled off the screen. This would be useful for people using low resolutions, or slow machines. Another idea, why not have a mode where text links are replaced with a small, say 160x120 graphic of what that link would look like rendered? John.

March 18, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Feature request

by Jyri Jokinen

On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 10:22:35 +0100, Jens Arm wrote: > All new browsers like Mozilla/Konquerer/Pheonix have the feature > Tabbed-Browsing, would be nice if dillo have this, too. Why oh why? Why don't you people use a window manager that does this? Window management is the window managers job for crying out loud. Try PekWM or PWM as an example of a good, tabbed window manager. -- shared, i'm getting pissed at this phenomeon, sorry

March 18, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Feature request

by Jens Arm

> > > I love dillo much and I missed a feature which is very nice if > > > you have more Browserwindows: > > > > > > All new browsers like Mozilla/Konquerer/Pheonix have the feature > > > Tabbed-Browsing, would be nice if dillo have this, too. > > > > Personally, i like to have this functionality in one place instead > > of in each and every program: my window manager (currently pwm, but > > at least fluxbox has this tabbing too). I have tabbing for my > > xterms, browsers (dillo, opera and more), everything, it works great. > > > > Or does tabbing inside the browser provide additional features? > > Tabbed browsing usually adds the ability to load links in the background, > without leaving the current page. I find this to be very useful; for > example, I can go to http://news.google.com, load all the interesting > news in the background, and later go through all those pages one by one. > There are very few window managers that can provide this ability (at > least without having *every* window pop up in the background, which > would be highly annoying). I not meant that the WM handles the Tabs, but dillo itself such as Mozilla/Konquerer/Pheonix. Jens

March 18, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Feature request

by Paul Pelzl

On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 11:57:54AM +0100, Mechiel Lukkien wrote: > Hi all, > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 10:22:35AM +0100, Jens Arm wrote: > > I love dillo much and I missed a feature which is very nice if > > you have more Browserwindows: > > > > All new browsers like Mozilla/Konquerer/Pheonix have the feature > > Tabbed-Browsing, would be nice if dillo have this, too. > > Personally, i like to have this functionality in one place instead > of in each and every program: my window manager (currently pwm, but > at least fluxbox has this tabbing too). I have tabbing for my > xterms, browsers (dillo, opera and more), everything, it works great. > > Or does tabbing inside the browser provide additional features? Tabbed browsing usually adds the ability to load links in the background, without leaving the current page. I find this to be very useful; for example, I can go to http://news.google.com, load all the interesting news in the background, and later go through all those pages one by one. There are very few window managers that can provide this ability (at least without having *every* window pop up in the background, which would be highly annoying). Paul

March 18, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Feature request

by Mechiel Lukkien

Hi all, On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 10:22:35AM +0100, Jens Arm wrote: > I love dillo much and I missed a feature which is very nice if > you have more Browserwindows: > > All new browsers like Mozilla/Konquerer/Pheonix have the feature > Tabbed-Browsing, would be nice if dillo have this, too. Personally, i like to have this functionality in one place instead of in each and every program: my window manager (currently pwm, but at least fluxbox has this tabbing too). I have tabbing for my xterms, browsers (dillo, opera and more), everything, it works great. Or does tabbing inside the browser provide additional features? -- mechiel, mechiel at ueber.net

March 18, 2003