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[Johannes.Hofmann@gmx.de: [Johannes.Hofmann@gmx.de: Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers]]

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi, -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 2, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by None

On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 02:27:06AM +0000, higuita wrote: > Hi jorge and Sebastian > > Thanks for releasing this version!! > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:09:25 -0400, wrote: > > ----- > > FLTK2 > > ----- > > builds fine, its really a great lib!! > > > ---------- > > dw-0.0.43j > > ---------- > > err... failed to build: > > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/higuita/dillo/dw-testbed-0.0.43j/lout' > g++ -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DPACKAGE=\"dw-testbed\" -DVERSION=\"0.0.43j\" -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_FCNTL_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_UIO_H=1 -I. -g -O2 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wall -MT object.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/object.Tpo -c -o object.o object.cc > object.cc: In member function 'virtual int object::Pointer::hashValue()': > object.cc:118: error: cast from 'void*' to 'int' loses precision > object.cc: In member function 'virtual void object::Pointer::intoStringBuffer(misc::StringBuffer*)': > object.cc:132: error: cast from 'void*' to 'int' loses precision > make[1]: *** [object.o] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/higuita/dillo/dw-testbed-0.0.43j/lout' > make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > i'm using slamd64 (slackware clone in 64bit)... gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 > > > ---------- > > dillo f15j > > ---------- > > also fails, looks like its the same reason: > > make[3]: Entering directory `/home/higuita/dillo/dillo-f15/src' > g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -DDILLORC_SYS='"/usr/local/etc/dillorc"' -I/usr/local/include -I../../dw-testbed -I/usr/include/libpng12 -DPNG_NO_MMX_CODE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -g -O2 -Wall -W -Wno-unused-parameter -MT ui.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/ui.Tpo -c -o ui.o ui.cc > ui.cc: In function 'void b1_cb(fltk::Widget*, void*)': > ui.cc:235: error: cast from 'void*' to 'int' loses precision > make[3]: *** [ui.o] Error 1 > > so my test stuck :) > > as i'm no programmer, any help is welcome... > > thanks for dillo Try: - int bn = (int)cb_data; + int bn = (long)cb_data; If this works OK, the same may be used for C++ in Dw (i.e. default to long). -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 2, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] new unfinished code

by Diego .

2007/9/30, <>: > > Hi Diego, > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 08:20:21PM +0200, Diego . wrote: > > This start to seem like spam. Sorry. > > No need to apologize. > > This is quite on topic and a contribution to the project. > > The fact of having no active developers for some time is a > separate issue (as I presume not much answers had come on the > patch). By the web stats y see that people go to the page, but only see the index page. Next time i will put links to the sections. > I have upload to my page unfinished code for a prefs dpi and my first > > screenshot :). The patch do not change dillo code, but need dillo code > to > > compile. (dpi lib). > > > > The page is: > > http://personales.ya.com/darkspirit/ > > > > > > If i get time i will try to post some docs about mime code for > > dillo(unfinished, unpublished, break, etc) and questions about internals > of > > dillo. > > I my experience it is best if you have some code that works > cleanly and needs to be extended, rather than a big cloud that > needs more work. I agree, but i have that code since a lot of time and prefer to make public than forget it. Another pro is that the next time i work with the code only need to use the patch instead of search the diferents code trees. -- > Cheers > Jorge.- > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev >

Oct. 2, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by higuita

Hi jorge and Sebastian Thanks for releasing this version!! On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:09:25 -0400, wrote: > ----- > FLTK2 > ----- builds fine, its really a great lib!! > ---------- > dw-0.0.43j > ---------- err... failed to build: make[1]: Entering directory `/home/higuita/dillo/dw-testbed-0.0.43j/lout' g++ -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DPACKAGE=\"dw-testbed\" -DVERSION=\"0.0.43j\" -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_FCNTL_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_UIO_H=1 -I. -g -O2 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wall -MT object.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/object.Tpo -c -o object.o object.cc object.cc: In member function 'virtual int object::Pointer::hashValue()': object.cc:118: error: cast from 'void*' to 'int' loses precision object.cc: In member function 'virtual void object::Pointer::intoStringBuffer(misc::StringBuffer*)': object.cc:132: error: cast from 'void*' to 'int' loses precision make[1]: *** [object.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/higuita/dillo/dw-testbed-0.0.43j/lout' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 i'm using slamd64 (slackware clone in 64bit)... gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 > ---------- > dillo f15j > ---------- also fails, looks like its the same reason: make[3]: Entering directory `/home/higuita/dillo/dillo-f15/src' g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -DDILLORC_SYS='"/usr/local/etc/dillorc"' -I/usr/local/include -I../../dw-testbed -I/usr/include/libpng12 -DPNG_NO_MMX_CODE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -g -O2 -Wall -W -Wno-unused-parameter -MT ui.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/ui.Tpo -c -o ui.o ui.cc ui.cc: In function 'void b1_cb(fltk::Widget*, void*)': ui.cc:235: error: cast from 'void*' to 'int' loses precision make[3]: *** [ui.o] Error 1 so my test stuck :) as i'm no programmer, any help is welcome... thanks for dillo higuita -- Naturally the common people don't want war... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. -- Hermann Goering, Nazi and war criminal, 1883-1946

Oct. 2, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Jorge, 2007/10/1, <>: > Hi Alan, > > On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 11:13:41AM -0300, Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote: > > Hi Jorge, > > > > 2007/9/30, <>: > > > Hi there, > > > > > > This is an alpha release of the next generation of the Dillo > > > web browser. The code underwent a major rewrite: significant > > > parts of the codebase were ported to C++, and the rendering > > > engine now uses the FLTK2 library instead of GTK1. > > > > > > Please read the README inside dillo's tarball. > > > > > > > You do my day with this news. Congratulations!!! > > You're welcome (and great you like it!). > > BTW, I still feel the nice effect of the OS in BIOS video you made. > I can't wait until I see the same video with Dillo running in it! =8-) > > Please confirm the other posters you were able to build dillo-fltk. > I can't do it now, I'm busy finishing my master degree thesis. Then my project to develop a BIOS OS is stalled :-( All my energy was devoted to place LinuxBIOS and Kdrive inside LinuxBIOS, but now I need complete my master degree before involve in this project newly. Anyone who want try make it can just use the LBdistro I developed to simplify the compilation of LinuxBIOS and the rootfs applications. > > -- > Cheers > Jorge.- > Cheers, Alan

Oct. 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by None

On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 08:24:02AM -0500, Brian Hechinger wrote: > On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:18:54AM -0400, dillo-dev-bounces(a)dillo.org wrote: > > > > Please verify that your tree is not corrupted. > > BTW, I'm using Debian etch (also tested on Slackware, Fedora and Ubuntu). > > I left the laptop at home today, but I gave this a quick go last night, and > fltk didn't configure properly on Ubuntu claiming that it couldn't find X11. > Any thoughts as to why that may be? It couldn't find X11/Intrinsic.h (which > I didn't actually look for yet). Is there a package I need to install that I > don't have? The *-devel for X11 in Ubuntu. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by None

Hi, On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 02:28:16PM +0100, Mark South wrote: > Hi again Jorge, > > --- Jorge wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:37:22AM +0100, Mark South wrote: > > > It is encouraging to see the first release in a > > > veeeeery loooong time. > > > > Yes, it's a loooong story. > > Sometime when you feel like it, you can tell us all. :) > > > > Under Debian Lenny, the fltk and dw packages build fine. > > dillo > > > configures OK, but make fails with masses of errors spat out > > from > > > https.c - mostly "expected ')' before '*' token" errors. Is > > > there possibly a typo that may have crept into the server > > copy? > > > > Not in the server. > > > > $ md5sum dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 > > $ cbc03fd64ae538fc887a54de5116fa4b dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 > > > > Please verify that your tree is not corrupted. > > The md5sum is good (and the bzip archive would not unpack > correctly if it were not). I prefered not to point that! ;-) > > The choke point is in https.c, just after the > > #define ENABLE_SSL be sure to have these packages: openssl and libssl-dev. Then remove the whole source tree unpack again and ./configure. (That's que quick&dirty for avoiding auto*'s cache). -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by None

Hi Alan, On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 11:13:41AM -0300, Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote: > Hi Jorge, > > 2007/9/30, <>: > > Hi there, > > > > This is an alpha release of the next generation of the Dillo > > web browser. The code underwent a major rewrite: significant > > parts of the codebase were ported to C++, and the rendering > > engine now uses the FLTK2 library instead of GTK1. > > > > Please read the README inside dillo's tarball. > > > > You do my day with this news. Congratulations!!! You're welcome (and great you like it!). BTW, I still feel the nice effect of the OS in BIOS video you made. I can't wait until I see the same video with Dillo running in it! =8-) Please confirm the other posters you were able to build dillo-fltk. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by Christian Kellermann

Dear Jorge & dillo fans, I can confirm this will run and build on OpenBSD-4.1 with minor modifications: * remove the GL & glut targets from the fltk Makefile if you don't need it * implement a strndup() function in dw/selection.cc in the testbed as OpenBSD doesn't have that in string.h I still have one question: I wanted to try out https (yes I know the README says it doesn't work). And of course it did not work: prefs: Using internal defaults. dillo_dns_init: Here we go! (threaded) Enabling cookies as from cookiesrc... Nav_open_url: Url=>https://www.ccc.de< [dpid]: dpi.c:70: a_Dpi_rd_dpi_socket_dir: fopen Dpi_blocking_start_dpid: try 1 [dpid]: No such file or directory [dpid]: - /home/ckeen/.dillo/dpi_socket_dir [dpid]: init_sockdir: The dpi_socket_dir file (null) does not exist dpid started a_Dpiapi_dialog: dpip_tag: <cmd='dialog' msg='The remote certificate cannot be verified (code 20)' alt1='Continue' alt2='Cancel' '> mouse button 1 was pressed a_UIcmd_stop() Is the backward channel form dpis supposed to work? If yes I will look into it. If there is too much missing atm, I would be gladful for a hint on where to start. Thank you very _very_ much for this nice programme and for bearing with us! Kind regards, Christian -- You may use my gpg key for replies: pub 1024D/47F79788 2005/02/02 Christian Kellermann (C-Keen)

Oct. 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Jorge, 2007/9/30, <>: > Hi there, > > This is an alpha release of the next generation of the Dillo > web browser. The code underwent a major rewrite: significant > parts of the codebase were ported to C++, and the rendering > engine now uses the FLTK2 library instead of GTK1. > > Please read the README inside dillo's tarball. > You do my day with this news. Congratulations!!! > Developers willing to join the project and contribute are > highly encouraged. Sebastian did an excellent work documenting > the new dillo widget engine (just run doxygen inside DW tree). > > This is a good milestone in the project's history, we hope to > be able to continue working on it. This is one step ahead, and we > need other developers help. > The linux embedded community now have a real embedded web browser to use. > Please note that this code is under GPL3! > :-D > BTW, if you want to know what antialiased utf-8 is, just go to: > > http://www.gnu.org/home.fa.html > > after compiling dillo-fltk. > > > Here are the instructions on how to get it working: > > --------------- > Get these files > --------------- > > wget http://www.dillo.org/dillo2/fltk-2.0.x-r5917.tar.bz2 > wget http://www.dillo.org/dillo2/dw-testbed-0.0.43j.tar.bz2 > wget http://www.dillo.org/dillo2/dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 > > ----- > FLTK2 > ----- > > tar jxvf fltk-2.0.x-r5917.tar.bz2 > cd fltk-2.0.x-r5917 > make // Should compile cleanly if you have the > // necessary development packages... > cd test; ./demo // You can play with it too! > cd .. > su > make install // Install FLTK2 libraries > exit > cd .. > > ---------- > dw-0.0.43j > ---------- > > tar jxvf dw-testbed-0.0.43j.tar.bz2 > cd dw-testbed-0.0.43j > ./configure > make > cd test // You can test it from here > cd ../.. > doxygen // Excellent documentation in html > cd html; dillo index.html // (start browsing docs here) > cd ../.. > ln -s dw-testbed-0.0.43j dw-testbed // Don't forget this link > > ---------- > dillo f15j > ---------- > > tar jxvf dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 > cd dillo-f15 > ./configure > make > su > make install // Needed for dpis > exit > cd src > ./dillo-fltk // This is is it! > cd .. > > -------- > dillorc2 > -------- > > There's a "dillorc2" file inside the tarball's top directory: > cp dillorc2 ~/.dillo/ > that will let you use the new and old dillo without trouble. > Long life to Dillo! > > > -- > Cheers > Jorge.- > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > Alan

Oct. 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by Mark South

Hi again Jorge, --- Jorge wrote: > On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:37:22AM +0100, Mark South wrote: > > It is encouraging to see the first release in a > > veeeeery loooong time. > > Yes, it's a loooong story. Sometime when you feel like it, you can tell us all. > > Under Debian Lenny, the fltk and dw packages build fine. > dillo > > configures OK, but make fails with masses of errors spat out > from > > https.c - mostly "expected ')' before '*' token" errors. Is > > there possibly a typo that may have crept into the server > copy? > > Not in the server. > > $ md5sum dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 > $ cbc03fd64ae538fc887a54de5116fa4b dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 > > Please verify that your tree is not corrupted. The md5sum is good (and the bzip archive would not unpack correctly if it were not). The choke point is in https.c, just after the #define ENABLE_SSL > BTW, I'm using Debian etch (also tested on Slackware, Fedora > and Ubuntu). My Etch box is doing something else right now :-) -- Mark South marksouth.tumblr.com ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

Oct. 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by Brian Hechinger

On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:18:54AM -0400, dillo-dev-bounces(a)dillo.org wrote: > > Please verify that your tree is not corrupted. > BTW, I'm using Debian etch (also tested on Slackware, Fedora and Ubuntu). I left the laptop at home today, but I gave this a quick go last night, and fltk didn't configure properly on Ubuntu claiming that it couldn't find X11. Any thoughts as to why that may be? It couldn't find X11/Intrinsic.h (which I didn't actually look for yet). Is there a package I need to install that I don't have? -brian -- "Perl can be fast and elegant as much as J2EE can be fast and elegant. In the hands of a skilled artisan, it can and does happen; it's just that most of the shit out there is built by people who'd be better suited to making sure that my burger is cooked thoroughly." -- Jonathan Patschke

Oct. 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by None

On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:37:22AM +0100, Mark South wrote: > Hi Jorge, > > Congratulations. Thanks! > It is encouraging to see the first release in a > veeeeery loooong time. Yes, it's a loooong story. > Under Debian Lenny, the fltk and dw packages build fine. dillo > configures OK, but make fails with masses of errors spat out from > https.c - mostly "expected ')' before '*' token" errors. Is > there possibly a typo that may have crept into the server copy? Not in the server. $ md5sum dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 $ cbc03fd64ae538fc887a54de5116fa4b dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 Please verify that your tree is not corrupted. BTW, I'm using Debian etch (also tested on Slackware, Fedora and Ubuntu). -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by Mark South

Hi Jorge, Congratulations. It is encouraging to see the first release in a veeeeery loooong time. Under Debian Lenny, the fltk and dw packages build fine. dillo configures OK, but make fails with masses of errors spat out from https.c - mostly "expected ')' before '*' token" errors. Is there possibly a typo that may have crept into the server copy? Best wishes, Mark --- wrote: > Hi there, > > This is an alpha release of the next generation of the > Dillo > web browser. The code underwent a major rewrite: > significant > parts of the codebase were ported to C++, and the > rendering > engine now uses the FLTK2 library instead of GTK1. > > Please read the README inside dillo's tarball. > > Developers willing to join the project and contribute > are > highly encouraged. Sebastian did an excellent work > documenting > the new dillo widget engine (just run doxygen inside DW tree). > > This is a good milestone in the project's history, we hope > to > be able to continue working on it. This is one step ahead, and > we > need other developers help. > > Please note that this code is under GPL3! > > BTW, if you want to know what antialiased utf-8 is, just go > to: > > http://www.gnu.org/home.fa.html > > after compiling dillo-fltk. > > > Here are the instructions on how to get it working: > > --------------- > Get these files > --------------- > > wget http://www.dillo.org/dillo2/fltk-2.0.x-r5917.tar.bz2 > wget http://www.dillo.org/dillo2/dw-testbed-0.0.43j.tar.bz2 > wget http://www.dillo.org/dillo2/dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 > > ----- > FLTK2 > ----- > > tar jxvf fltk-2.0.x-r5917.tar.bz2 > cd fltk-2.0.x-r5917 > make // Should compile cleanly if > you have the > // necessary development > packages... > cd test; ./demo // You can play with it too! > cd .. > su > make install // Install FLTK2 libraries > exit > cd .. > > ---------- > dw-0.0.43j > ---------- > > tar jxvf dw-testbed-0.0.43j.tar.bz2 > cd dw-testbed-0.0.43j > ./configure > make > cd test // You can test it from here > cd ../.. > doxygen // Excellent documentation > in html > cd html; dillo index.html // (start browsing docs > here) > cd ../.. > ln -s dw-testbed-0.0.43j dw-testbed // Don't forget this > link > > ---------- > dillo f15j > ---------- > > tar jxvf dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 > cd dillo-f15 > ./configure > make > su > make install // Needed for dpis > exit > cd src > ./dillo-fltk // This is is it! > cd .. > > -------- > dillorc2 > -------- > > There's a "dillorc2" file inside the tarball's top directory: > cp dillorc2 ~/.dillo/ > that will let you use the new and old dillo without trouble. > > > > -- > Cheers > Jorge.- > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

Oct. 1, 2007

Dillo FLTK2 alpha release for developers

by None

Hi there, This is an alpha release of the next generation of the Dillo web browser. The code underwent a major rewrite: significant parts of the codebase were ported to C++, and the rendering engine now uses the FLTK2 library instead of GTK1. Please read the README inside dillo's tarball. Developers willing to join the project and contribute are highly encouraged. Sebastian did an excellent work documenting the new dillo widget engine (just run doxygen inside DW tree). This is a good milestone in the project's history, we hope to be able to continue working on it. This is one step ahead, and we need other developers help. Please note that this code is under GPL3! BTW, if you want to know what antialiased utf-8 is, just go to: http://www.gnu.org/home.fa.html after compiling dillo-fltk. Here are the instructions on how to get it working: --------------- Get these files --------------- wget http://www.dillo.org/dillo2/fltk-2.0.x-r5917.tar.bz2 wget http://www.dillo.org/dillo2/dw-testbed-0.0.43j.tar.bz2 wget http://www.dillo.org/dillo2/dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 ----- FLTK2 ----- tar jxvf fltk-2.0.x-r5917.tar.bz2 cd fltk-2.0.x-r5917 make // Should compile cleanly if you have the // necessary development packages... cd test; ./demo // You can play with it too! cd .. su make install // Install FLTK2 libraries exit cd .. ---------- dw-0.0.43j ---------- tar jxvf dw-testbed-0.0.43j.tar.bz2 cd dw-testbed-0.0.43j ./configure make cd test // You can test it from here cd ../.. doxygen // Excellent documentation in html cd html; dillo index.html // (start browsing docs here) cd ../.. ln -s dw-testbed-0.0.43j dw-testbed // Don't forget this link ---------- dillo f15j ---------- tar jxvf dillo-f15f.tar.bz2 cd dillo-f15 ./configure make su make install // Needed for dpis exit cd src ./dillo-fltk // This is is it! cd .. -------- dillorc2 -------- There's a "dillorc2" file inside the tarball's top directory: cp dillorc2 ~/.dillo/ that will let you use the new and old dillo without trouble. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] new unfinished code

by None

Hi Diego, On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 08:20:21PM +0200, Diego . wrote: > This start to seem like spam. Sorry. No need to apologize. This is quite on topic and a contribution to the project. The fact of having no active developers for some time is a separate issue (as I presume not much answers had come on the patch). > I have upload to my page unfinished code for a prefs dpi and my first > screenshot :). The patch do not change dillo code, but need dillo code to > compile. (dpi lib). > > The page is: > http://personales.ya.com/darkspirit/ > > > If i get time i will try to post some docs about mime code for > dillo(unfinished, unpublished, break, etc) and questions about internals of > dillo. I my experience it is best if you have some code that works cleanly and needs to be extended, rather than a big cloud that needs more work. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Sept. 30, 2007

new unfinished code

by Diego .

This start to seem like spam. Sorry. I have upload to my page unfinished code for a prefs dpi and my first screenshot :). The patch do not change dillo code, but need dillo code to compile. (dpi lib). The page is: http://personales.ya.com/darkspirit/ If i get time i will try to post some docs about mime code for dillo(unfinished, unpublished, break, etc) and questions about internals of dillo. Diego.

Sept. 29, 2007

Re: dillo

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi, On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 05:36:25AM -0700, j murphy wrote: > Jorge: > I hope that you and your collaborators are > well, and that your plans for releasing the new dillo > are still on track. Yes, still on track. > Despite the work being done on > other lightweight browsers like hv3 and Twibright > Labs' Links, I still prefer to use dillo, :-) > and I need > it for use on some of my older, slower machines that > have less memory, and are too slow with Firefox or > Opera. I'm writing to share with you a few problems > that I have noticed with dillo 0.8.6: I'll answer them below, but please just notice that the main problem we face now is lack of time from the main developers; we know about bugs, and have development plans, but we have no time or funds to quit our jobs and devote 100% to Dillo. > > 1)I often use a browser with tor ( https://tor.eff.org > ) and privoxy ( http://www.privoxy.org )for secure > browsing, and I was using dillo in this way, until I > noticed (through some of the useful diagnostics at > https://torcheck.xenobite.eu ) that dillo doesn't > route https traffic through my web proxy correctly -- > instead it seems to establish a direct connection, > bypassing the proxy, despite the http_proxy setting in > my dillorc file. Normal http traffic seems to be > handled correctly. Does the user need to set a > separate proxy for https traffic? Or does the proxy > handling in dillo have a bug? Dillo's https support is basic. It uses wget for this. You can set a proxy for wget and it should work. > 2)Also, I've had some trouble with dillo's > https.filter.dpi, which often sends an error message > stating that it can't verify a certificate repeatedly, > and sometimes launches multiple instances of itself > when attempting to connect to the same website > securely. This can occasionally lead to crashes in > which https.filter.dpi.core is dumped, and > occasionally brings down the browser as well. I > realize that this information is somewhat vague, but > if you'd like me to send a coredump next time it > occurs, I'll do so. Sad fact: it's a known bug. No need to send the core. The problem is that currently there's no cache for asking for a certificate, so a page with multiple https resources (e.g. images) asks several times for the same certificate flooding the communication socket. > > 3)The fltk downloader has one irritating glitch: when > attempting to save a file, if the user to change the > directory into which the file will be saved, the file > name is cleared, requiring the user to type it in > again, which wastes a lot of time. Yes! This one has bitten me too. This is the default behaviuor of that FLTK dialog. If I find some time and a simple way to change that, I'll fix it. > > 4)When dillo is closed, many of the dpis that were > spawned during a dillo session remain as zombie > processes, when they ought to be terminated along with > the parent dillo process. I realize that file > downloads may have to be handled carefully, and may > sometimes be required to remain open until completion, > even after the parent dillo is closed, but it seems to > me that no useful purpose is served by having the > other dpis remain after dillo is closed. dpidc stop That command tells them to quit. If they remain, that's a bug. > > 5)With the latest snapshots of fltk2 on my machine, > the downloader doesn't refresh itself properly when > multiple files are being downloaded. For instance, a > user starts one download, and the downloader gui is > spawned with a progress tracking entry in the > downloader gui for that particular download. Then the > user starts another download, but the progress > tracking entry for this second download, and for > subsequent downloads, is not displayed properly: it's > somehow underneath the first entry, and partially > obscured by it, so that control of the download or > tracking of it's progress isn't possible. Yes I noticed this too. This simple problems hopefully will be tackled by an interested developer when the code is released (before the end of September. Cross your fingers.). > I hope that this information will help you to improve > your new version of dillo, if these problems have not > already been addressed. If I can help, please let me > know. (Of course I'm a scientist, and not really a > developer, so don't expect miracles.) Yes, your bug report is concise and self explaining. Thanks for it. I wish I had the resources to work hands on in it now. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Sept. 17, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] 0.6% of people uses Dillo (poll said)

by Diego .

I sorry the delay in the reply. I was out a week for vacation (1000Km from my home). 2007/8/29, <>: > > Hi Diego, > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2007 at 03:28:55AM +0200, Diego . wrote: > > DesktopLinux.com has published the results of its anual (desktop)linux > poll. > > The interesting thing is in the 3rd question: Which web browsers do you > > frequently use on your Linux desktop(s)? > > > > > http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?view=archive&id=08132… > > > > The interesting thing is that a frozen project have enough users to win > over > > 3 fully developed browsers :) (optimistic without cure) > > Yoou made more than my day with that! I rejoice for you. > Are there news about dillo development? > > Yes there're. > > It is soothing to see your optimism and hopes for Dillo. > Sometimes we think with Sebastian that releasing the code may not > make a difference after all because we currently have no time to > devote, and if people don't develop themselves, there the code > will remain. I think that a change will happend, but to un-freeze a proyect need a lot of work. I hoppe that other people will help with it. First is to communicate the un-freeze then a delay will happend until people known and other for the people to make changes(patchs). I remember that a question was made in the list about a GTK2 dillo version so it can be included in the (graphical) debian installer (as a d-i plugin i think) to read the docs. Surely a static linked FLTK version can be very attractive to d-i people. Don't read us wrong, the decision to open the code is already > made, and BTW, Sebastian did an sterling job of documenting the > internals of Dw, so once it's out there, studying time starts, > and development should follow naturally. > > I wish you or somebody else in this list could take care of > patch reviewing, web site updating and that kind of tasks. > Anyone? I want to take care of patch reviewing with the condition that other person review my patchs. Please give me some orientation or guidelines. Some details remain, and I hope before September ends, the > fltk2 version of Dillo to be online. That is a very good news! -- > Cheers > Jorge.- Diego.

Sept. 2, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] 0.6% of people uses Dillo (poll said)

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Jorge, 2007/8/29, <>: > Hi Diego, > > It is soothing to see your optimism and hopes for Dillo. > Sometimes we think with Sebastian that releasing the code may not > make a difference after all because we currently have no time to > devote, and if people don't develop themselves, there the code > will remain. > releasing the fltk2 code, even if nobody develop it, new applications can be arrived, as its use in the cell phone and others embedded devices. > Don't read us wrong, the decision to open the code is already > made, and BTW, Sebastian did an sterling job of documenting the > internals of Dw, so once it's out there, studying time starts, > and development should follow naturally. > > I wish you or somebody else in this list could take care of > patch reviewing, web site updating and that kind of tasks. > Anyone? > I can help creating a LinuxBIOS rootfs with dillo embedded to demonstrate the web computer idea. Also can help updating dillo web site. > Some details remain, and I hope before September ends, the > fltk2 version of Dillo to be online. > It is really a great news! > > -- > Cheers > Jorge.- > Cheers, Alan

Aug. 29, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] 0.6% of people uses Dillo (poll said)

by None

Hi Diego, On Sat, Aug 25, 2007 at 03:28:55AM +0200, Diego . wrote: > DesktopLinux.com has published the results of its anual (desktop)linux poll. > The interesting thing is in the 3rd question: Which web browsers do you > frequently use on your Linux desktop(s)? > > http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?view=archive&id=08132… > > The interesting thing is that a frozen project have enough users to win over > 3 fully developed browsers :) (optimistic without cure) Yoou made more than my day with that! > Are there news about dillo development? Yes there're. It is soothing to see your optimism and hopes for Dillo. Sometimes we think with Sebastian that releasing the code may not make a difference after all because we currently have no time to devote, and if people don't develop themselves, there the code will remain. Don't read us wrong, the decision to open the code is already made, and BTW, Sebastian did an sterling job of documenting the internals of Dw, so once it's out there, studying time starts, and development should follow naturally. I wish you or somebody else in this list could take care of patch reviewing, web site updating and that kind of tasks. Anyone? Some details remain, and I hope before September ends, the fltk2 version of Dillo to be online. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Aug. 29, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] 0.6% of people uses Dillo (poll said)

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Diego, 2007/8/25, Diego . <darkspirit5000(a)gmail.com>: > DesktopLinux.com has published the results of its anual (desktop)linux poll. > The interesting thing is in the 3rd question: Which web browsers do you > frequently use on your Linux desktop(s)? > > http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?view=archive&id=08132… > > The interesting thing is that a frozen project have enough users to win over > 3 fully developed browsers :) (optimistic without cure) > > Surely a thawn will increase the dillo users. what about a 1%? > > The results from less to more > Does not apply 0.1 % > Netscape 0.1 % > Safari 0.2 % > Other (please tell us) 0.3 % > Flock 0.3 % > Galeon 0.4 % > Dillo 0.6 % > Seamonkey 1.7 % > Epiphany 2.3 % > Mozilla 3.7 % > Text-based browser (Lynx, Links, ELinks, etc.) 4.3 % > Opera 11.9 % > Konqueror 13.7 % > Firefox (aka Iceweasel) 59.6 % > Wow, this is very interesting. I think when Dillo FLTK will be released this percentage will increase more. > Are there news about dillo development? > Some months ago Jorge said we will see news, but it don't happen :-( > Diego. > Alan

Aug. 25, 2007

0.6% of people uses Dillo (poll said)

by Diego .

DesktopLinux.com has published the results of its anual (desktop)linux poll. The interesting thing is in the 3rd question: Which web browsers do you frequently use on your Linux desktop(s)? http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?view=archive&id=08132… The interesting thing is that a frozen project have enough users to win over 3 fully developed browsers :) (optimistic without cure) Surely a thawn will increase the dillo users. what about a 1%? The results from less to more Does not apply 0.1 % Netscape 0.1 % Safari 0.2 % Other (please tell us) 0.3 % Flock 0.3 % Galeon 0.4 % Dillo 0.6 % Seamonkey 1.7 % Epiphany 2.3 % Mozilla 3.7 % Text-based browser (Lynx, Links, ELinks, etc.) 4.3 % Opera 11.9 % Konqueror 13.7 % Firefox (aka Iceweasel) 59.6 % Are there news about dillo development? Diego.

Aug. 25, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] more dillo unfinished code

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Diego, congratulations, these plugin appear very nice. I'm busy now devoloping my thesis but when I get time I will test it. Cheers, Alan 2007/7/31, Diego . <darkspirit5000(a)gmail.com>: > Hello, i have added a patch to manage scripts with DPIs to my (dully and > silly) dillo unfinished code page. > > The patch only allow dillo to send scripts to DPIs and have bugs. > > Now i am working in mime DPIs. The test file type DPIs part work but the > code is too nasty yet. > > Please give your opinions about the page and the code. > > Do not worry to ask any doubt. > > I need some help about the english part to so do not doubt to blame my > english and tell my errors. Like this is not the topic of the list send > language errors directly to me. > > The page is http://personales.ya.com/darkspirit/ > > Diego. > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------ | Alan Carvalho de Assis | ------------------------------------------------------------ -- Não importa o que os outros irão pensar, A cura para a infelicidade é a felicidade

Aug. 8, 2007

more dillo unfinished code

by Diego .

Hello, i have added a patch to manage scripts with DPIs to my (dully and silly) dillo unfinished code page. The patch only allow dillo to send scripts to DPIs and have bugs. Now i am working in mime DPIs. The test file type DPIs part work but the code is too nasty yet. Please give your opinions about the page and the code. Do not worry to ask any doubt. I need some help about the english part to so do not doubt to blame my english and tell my errors. Like this is not the topic of the list send language errors directly to me. The page is http://personales.ya.com/darkspirit/ Diego.

Aug. 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] so is dillo history?

by Riccardo Mottola

Hey, > > any suggestions for an alternative light-weight browser for > > linux users? > > Unless someone else is prepared to write one from scratch, the > main alternatives are hv3 and some of the cut-down gecko-based > browsers (kazehakase and flock spring to mind). > geck is still big and needs glib2/gtk2... > The flock code is all under the MPL or GPL, so that may be a good > starting point, since the flock additions are fairly neatly > layered. > > I'd be delighted to learn of any other approaches as well.... We at GNUstep are writing our own engine from scratch, compatible with WebKit. It shall targed handheld devices too. A first browser implementaiton is Vespucci, of the GAP project (gap.nongnu.org) ALthough it is far from usable, a screenshot can be seen on my blog (multixden.blogspot.com) SimpleWebKit runs also on myStep/QuantumStep which is a special version of GNUstep for handheld devices (zaurus, etc). We originally even thought about using Dillo as a starting point, but the code itself was glib.gtk dependent and the rendering limitations were high. Then the whole project essentially died. Sadly, I've been a Dillo user on many platforms and strange computers... Riccardo

July 10, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Some News

by Globe Trotter

I agree entirely, but dillo is fast because it is small. I think javascript will have to be tackled if dillo is meant to have a future. unless more and more people use it, no contributions will come. they will definitely not come if fewer and fewer people use it....disappearing for a year and a half was not a great idea....not to mention that it was at the interface between gtk1 and fltk so no one who wanted to could even contribute....hopefully, the new update will be available soon! trotter --- SZERVÁC Attila <sas(a)321.hu> wrote: > > I can use both Dillo & FF on my 9 years old machine, but Dillo is more > faster than any other graphical browser. So, this is the key feature, > not the small size. Size doesn't matter today :-) > > On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 08:58:24AM -0700, Globe Trotter wrote: > > > > I do that. But the subset of sites that can handle dillo keeps becoming > smaller > > and smaller. Pretty soon, at this rate, we will be down to just my > website..... > > -- > sas ( satie ) - SZERVÁC Attila - zenész - szoftvergazda \ > elnökhelyettes - Linux-felhasználók Magyarországi Egyesülete - http://lme.hu/ > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/

July 6, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Some News

by Globe Trotter

--- Beartooth <karhunhammas(a)Lserv.com> wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Globe Trotter wrote: > > > Btw, I think we know how you feel about javascript but this has > > to be brought in at some point, since there are increasingly > > more and more sites which can not be viewed without any other > > option. > > Don't be too sure. I keep Dillo named my default browser, > and when I hit a site it can't handle, I either shrug and skip > it, or copy the URL and paste it into some more ponderous > browser. I figure that's the price I pay for Dillo's speed and > security, and well worth it. > > I have no idea how many other users may be doing the > same, but I'll give odds I'm not the only one. In fact, you might > soon find you prefer doing it that way yourself. > I do that. But the subset of sites that can handle dillo keeps becoming smaller and smaller. Pretty soon, at this rate, we will be down to just my website..... I think hv3 (which I did not know about till yesterday) has finally accepted this fact (so they say) and is moving towards incorporating javascript as a priority. Trotter. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL

July 6, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] Some News

by Globe Trotter

Thanks, Jorge! I hope this is really soon. While I love dillo, it appears that people have begun to defect, and I frankly can't blame them! I don't know anything beyond plain C programming, so I am not really able to help with widgets and toolkits, etc. I am however willing to test the thing out to death. Btw, I think we know how you feel about javascript but this has to be brought in at some point, since there are increasingly more and more sites which can not be viewed without any other option. Many thanks and best wishes, Trotter --- Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > Hi there, > > We've advanced a lot towards a release of Dillo. So expect good > news soon! > > What currently worries us most is the lack of developers. > Manpower to help the project. With Sebastian we have little spare > time and would appreciate some help. From patches, patch review, > bug fixing, web site maintaining, documentation, packaging, etc. > > > -- > Cheers > Jorge.- > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091

July 6, 2007

Some News

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi there, We've advanced a lot towards a release of Dillo. So expect good news soon! What currently worries us most is the lack of developers. Manpower to help the project. With Sebastian we have little spare time and would appreciate some help. From patches, patch review, bug fixing, web site maintaining, documentation, packaging, etc. -- Cheers Jorge.-

July 6, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] so is dillo history?

by Mark South

--- Globe Trotter <itsme_410(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > just wondering....doesn't look promising at all! Yes, this is a case where no news is very bad news. :-( > any suggestions for an alternative light-weight browser for > linux users? Unless someone else is prepared to write one from scratch, the main alternatives are hv3 and some of the cut-down gecko-based browsers (kazehakase and flock spring to mind). The flock code is all under the MPL or GPL, so that may be a good starting point, since the flock additions are fairly neatly layered. I'd be delighted to learn of any other approaches as well.... ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html

July 5, 2007

so is dillo history?

by Globe Trotter

just wondering....doesn't look promising at all! any suggestions for an alternative light-weight browser for linux users? best, trotter ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/

July 5, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] contacts

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Jorge, 2007/5/29, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org>: > Hi there, > > Thanks to those of you that made some diligences and sent me > email about finding Sebastian. We had a phone talk and will have > a chat soon. > > Once again, thank you. > I'm happy because you contacted he. > -- > Cheers > Jorge.- > Cheers, Alan

May 29, 2007

contacts

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi there, Thanks to those of you that made some diligences and sent me email about finding Sebastian. We had a phone talk and will have a chat soon. Once again, thank you. -- Cheers Jorge.-

May 29, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] more [un]finished code

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Diego, 2007/5/27, Diego . <darkspirit5000(a)gmail.com>: > Hello, I have code a (dull, silly, ...) web page to upload my unfinished > dillo code. I tend to start too much things and i finish very few of them. I > will upload finished code too. > > At this moment there are a unfinished tabs dpi and two finished patches > that together alow to wrote DilloPlugIns for protocols without touching > dillo code. > > I will try to upload a unfinished preferences DPI and to code patches to > allow DPIs to manage mime types and scripting, but i have few time. > > Please give your opinions on the page and the code. > > Do not worry to ask any doubt. > > I need some help about the english part to so do not doubt to blame my > english and tell my errors. Like this is not the topic of the list send > language errors directly to me. > > The page is http://personales.ya.com/darkspirit/ > I hope Jorge accept your code and add it to source tree. > Any news from Sebastian? > Diego, I got feedback from Sebastian see: de Sebastian Geerken <sgeerken(a)dillo.org> para Alan Carvalho de Assis <acassis(a)gmail.com> data 20 May 2007 14:12:06 +0200 assunto Re: Test Hi Alan, first of all, sorry for the late response. On Thu, May 10, Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote: > are you the dillo developer? I'm still one of the two main developers of dillo, but unfortunately, the project is currently stalled, since Jorge and I do not have the time, which is necessary to keep dillo running, due to a full-time job. ("Stalled" means not "cancelled".) Sebastian After this email and send other email speaking about the dillo FTLK source code and asking to he release it, but don't get reply until now. I hope Jorge and Sebastian release the source code soon. > Diego Alan

May 28, 2007

more [un]finished code

by Diego .

Hello, I have code a (dull, silly, ...) web page to upload my unfinished dillo code. I tend to start too much things and i finish very few of them. I will upload finished code too. At this moment there are a unfinished tabs dpi and two finished patches that together alow to wrote DilloPlugIns for protocols without touching dillo code. I will try to upload a unfinished preferences DPI and to code patches to allow DPIs to manage mime types and scripting, but i have few time. Please give your opinions on the page and the code. Do not worry to ask any doubt. I need some help about the english part to so do not doubt to blame my english and tell my errors. Like this is not the topic of the list send language errors directly to me. The page is http://personales.ya.com/darkspirit/ Any news from Sebastian? Diego

May 27, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed

by Globe Trotter

So, I assume that Jorge has not been able to get Sebastian to respond to his calls? It looks like Dillo is on its way to becoming history....what a sad way to end.... Trotter --- Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > Guys, > > Once again I want to thank you for the appreciation you have > for Dillo as a project. > > Now, if you read my original message again, you'll find: > > > Sebastian made a huge effort too. Having a job and developing a > > web browser is a very demanding task, and he did even more than > > that. I highly respect the man. > > > > In Germany we decided with him to keep the Dillo FLTK2 closed > > until we both agreed to release. > > and > > > From some time ago I think it would be good to release the new > > code. I have emailed several times with no answer. > > In fact, I think it was more or less 6 months ago, after some > emails with Andrew Tanenbaum, who finally helped me to see that > it was a good time to release the code again. > > Since then, I've tried to contact Sebastian to agree on this. > > -- > > On the technical part: > > > But Dillo need to evolve to support features only existents in modern > > browsers as i18n, javascript, https, tabs, flash (gnash), etc. > > - i18n : this was the main reason for choosing FLTK2 (utf-8). > - https: I started this plugin and also wish it can be improved > (later Garrett Kajmowicz helped a lot with this). > - tabs : I also want Dillo to have TABs. It may take to much time until > WM TABs support is as good as internal TABS. I designed a Dillo > FLTK2 UI where this is easy to add (one of these days I may code > it up... :-) > - flash: This depends on a external interpreter. I have no problem in > making > the hooks. > - javascript: This also depends on a external VM, and a supporting > framework. > It can be done but requires time. I'm not opposed as long as it > can > be disabled/enabled because it comes with severe security/privacy > risks. > - CSS : All of us want this! Sebastian made a huge and accurate work to > make > the CSS model a part of the internal widget structures. We only > need > to hook the parser. We even showed a prototype in France 2005 at > LSM > > > Again, once released, the code will not improve alone, it needs > dedicated developers/supporters willing to put their part in > order to make the vision we share happen. > > <<Long life to Dillo!>> > > > -- > Cheers > Jorge.- > > PS: For those willing to take our word at face value, I want to > state that it was never our intention to sell the code to > proprietary hands. BTW, we never did. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

May 4, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed

by Globe Trotter

--- Alan Carvalho de Assis <acassis(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jorge, > > 2007/4/5, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org>: > > ... sic > > In fact, I think it was more or less 6 months ago, after some > > emails with Andrew Tanenbaum, who finally helped me to see that > > it was a good time to release the code again. > > > > Since then, I've tried to contact Sebastian to agree on this. > > Then you just needs a "go" signal from Sebastian? > > I hope that Sebastian turns on the green light to Dillo FLTK source code. I hope that Sebastian his reading his e-mails. As you can see from Jorge's note, he has been trying to contact him for six months. I hope also that all is well with him. best wishes, trotter ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail

April 6, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Jorge, 2007/4/5, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org>: > ... sic > In fact, I think it was more or less 6 months ago, after some > emails with Andrew Tanenbaum, who finally helped me to see that > it was a good time to release the code again. > > Since then, I've tried to contact Sebastian to agree on this. Then you just needs a "go" signal from Sebastian? I hope that Sebastian turns on the green light to Dillo FLTK source code. Thank you, Alan

April 5, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Guys, Once again I want to thank you for the appreciation you have for Dillo as a project. Now, if you read my original message again, you'll find: > Sebastian made a huge effort too. Having a job and developing a > web browser is a very demanding task, and he did even more than > that. I highly respect the man. > > In Germany we decided with him to keep the Dillo FLTK2 closed > until we both agreed to release. and > From some time ago I think it would be good to release the new > code. I have emailed several times with no answer. In fact, I think it was more or less 6 months ago, after some emails with Andrew Tanenbaum, who finally helped me to see that it was a good time to release the code again. Since then, I've tried to contact Sebastian to agree on this. -- On the technical part: > But Dillo need to evolve to support features only existents in modern > browsers as i18n, javascript, https, tabs, flash (gnash), etc. - i18n : this was the main reason for choosing FLTK2 (utf-8). - https: I started this plugin and also wish it can be improved (later Garrett Kajmowicz helped a lot with this). - tabs : I also want Dillo to have TABs. It may take to much time until WM TABs support is as good as internal TABS. I designed a Dillo FLTK2 UI where this is easy to add (one of these days I may code it up... :-) - flash: This depends on a external interpreter. I have no problem in making the hooks. - javascript: This also depends on a external VM, and a supporting framework. It can be done but requires time. I'm not opposed as long as it can be disabled/enabled because it comes with severe security/privacy risks. - CSS : All of us want this! Sebastian made a huge and accurate work to make the CSS model a part of the internal widget structures. We only need to hook the parser. We even showed a prototype in France 2005 at LSM Again, once released, the code will not improve alone, it needs dedicated developers/supporters willing to put their part in order to make the vision we share happen. <<Long life to Dillo!>> -- Cheers Jorge.- PS: For those willing to take our word at face value, I want to state that it was never our intention to sell the code to proprietary hands. BTW, we never did.

April 5, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed; was: LinuxBIOS with X Server Inside

by Justus Winter

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey@all :) Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > I once asked in this list how many developers were willing to > work on Dillo FLTK2 if released. One answer still stands. I would be willing to try to implement our concepts against session riding in dillo. We (Martin Johns and myself) did some work in this area and created a http proxy and a firefox extension to protect users of web applications against session riding. Both the proxy and the extension approach are highly non-trivial, for different reasons. One being the complexity of the mozilla framework. With dillo this might be a lot easier, so dillo could be the first browser to be immune against session riding out of the box. I am also interested in improving dillos css capabilities. I know there are some patches around. And embedding a ECMAScript interpreter could enable dillo to be used as frontend for all the new web applications (but I know that this is a huge step and requires lots of planning and pondering design questions in the first place). Thanks for all the support, and special thanks to Diego for releasing your patch. I will definitively try it out! Cheers, Justus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGEXSroPmwNWhsaZYRAk2tAJ0bBn53ltbvSHqsdoYOGu++OvAoOQCeN94b 6NLt9mgy26xXXYi3qsaGF8I= =n2DK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 2, 2007

non released unfinished code (try 2)

by Diego Sáenz

It seems that my previous mail came bad, so i try again: Hello. I agree (in the general discussion) that it is a bad idea to keep closed the dillo FLTK code. (I reserve other opinions for other mail) This mail is only because i have some unfinished code for dillo and want to open/show/give to the rest of the list. One can not demand something without do the same. I have a Dillo PlugIn that add tabs to dillo. The plug in is a GTK 1.2 app and a DPI at the same time. I do not known GTK 1.2 and do not have time to learn it. I was waiting for the FLTK dillo to program a FLTK version, but now i think that it is better to show bad programed unfinished code instead of wait. Try to run it before watch the code (based on a GTK 1.2 example) I hope that some GTK programer can finish it. How do it work: Now dillo can be embedded in other program. This is used by sylpheed for example. The app create a especial gtk widget get its xid and run dillo like that: $ dillo -x xid(this is a number) Then that dillo will appear in the gkt widget and not in a separate window. With a few changes (18 lines added to dillo) dillo can ask the xid to a DPI when it want to open a new window. The DPI is a GTK window with a notebook widget. Each time dillo ask it for a xid the DPI adds a new tab and pass its xid to dillo and dillo appear in the tab. (If the xid returned by the DPI is 0 dillo open a separate window) TODO: - Remove the GTK example code - Add menus to tabs, close tab button ... - maybe add a configuration file Instructions to test it: download the patch attached to this mail (tabs_dpi.diff) get the last dillo cvs (if asked for a password, press ENTER) $ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@auriga.wearlab.de:/sfhome/cvs/dillo login $ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@auriga.wearlab.de:/sfhome/cvs/dillo co dillo change to the dillo cvs directory and apply the patch $ cd dillo $ patch -p1 < ../tabs_dpi.diff generate configure, configure code and compile it $ ./autogen.sh && ./configure --disable-dlgui && make install the tabs dpi and optionaly the patched dillo # make install run the patched dillo comanding it to ask the xid and with a given size (only to see the dillo window entirely) $ dillo -x ask -g 700x500 To open a new tab use midle click on a link or the menu file->new browser To close a tab use the remove page button or the menu file->close window Excuse me my english and please test and tell what you think about this. Diego.

April 2, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed

by leslie.polzer＠gmx.net

On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:47:15PM +0200, Alexander Becher wrote: > Let's up that number then. Make it two. When (not if) Dillo FLTK2 > is released, I will gladly contribute to its advancement, including > working on its core. +1. Time is scarce for me at the moment, but I'm very interested in contributing to Dillo on FLTK2. Leslie -- NEW homepage: https://viridian.dnsalias.net/~sky/homepage/ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys DD4EBF83

April 2, 2007

non released unfinished code

by Diego .

Hello. I agree (in the general discussion) that it is a bad idea to keep closed the dillo FLTK code. (I reserve other opinions for other mail) This mail is only because i have some unfinished code for dillo and want to open/show/give to the rest of the list. I have a Dillo PlugIn that add tabs to dillo. The plug in is a GTK 1.2 app and a DPI at the same time. I do not known GTK 1.2 and do not have time to learn it. I was waiting for the FLTK dillo to program a FLTK version, but now i think that it is better to show bad programed unfinished code instead of wait. Try to run it before watch the code (based on a notebook GTK 1.2example) I hope that some GTK programer can finish it. How do it work: Now dillo can be embedded in other program. This is used by sylpheed for example. The app create a especial gtk widget get its xid and run dillo like that: $ dillo -x xid(this is a number) Then that dillo will appear in the gkt widget and not in a window. With a few changes dillo can ask the xid to a DPI when it want to open a new window. The DPI is a GTK window with a notebook widget. Each time dillo ask it for a xid the DPI adds a new tab and pass its xid to dillo and dillo appear in the tab. Instructions to test it: download the patch attached to this mail (tabs_dpi.diff) get the last dillo cvs (if asked for a password, press ENTER) $ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@auriga.wearlab.de:/sfhome/cvs/dillo login $ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@auriga.wearlab.de:/sfhome/cvs/dillo co dillo change to the dillo cvs directory and apply the patch $ cd dillo $ patch -p1 < ../tabs_dpi.diff generate configure, configure code and compile it $ ./autogen.sh && ./configure --disable-dlgui && make install the tabs dpi and optionaly the patched dillo # make install run the patched dillo comanding it to ask the xid and with a given size (only to see the dillo window entirely) $ dillo -x ask -g 700x500 To open a new tab use midle click on a link or the menu file->new browser To close a tab use the remove page button or the menu file->close window Excuse me my english and please test and tell what you think about this. Diego.

April 2, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed

by Alexander Becher

* Me: >* Matthias Franz: >>But it may not the best approach to ask people to declare >>in advance that they will contribute to Dillo. > >I cannot say I do not disagree with that. s/dis// I meant to say I'd agree with that. Regards, Alexander -- PGP key available

April 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed

by Alexander Becher

* Matthias Franz: >On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 10:59:58PM -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: >> I once asked in this list how many developers were willing to >> work on Dillo FLTK2 if released. One answer still stands. Let's up that number then. Make it two. When (not if) Dillo FLTK2 is released, I will gladly contribute to its advancement, including working on its core. >But it may not the best approach to ask people to declare >in advance that they will contribute to Dillo. I cannot say I do not disagree with that. Regards, Alexander -- PGP key available

April 1, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed

by Matthias Franz

On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 10:59:58PM -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > I once asked in this list how many developers were willing to > work on Dillo FLTK2 if released. One answer still stands. Dear Jorge, I still think that Dillo is very useful, and it would be a pity if this project died. The reactions on this mailing list show that many people feel like this. But it may not the best approach to ask people to declare in advance that they will contribute to Dillo. I myself get involved in projects the other way round: I have an idea of how to improve things, and if the source code is available (and I have enough time), I start playing around. If at the end anything reasonable comes out, I send it to the project leader, as I did with my Dillo patches. This might then be the starting point for more contributions. I would guess that many people do it this way. Cheers, -- Matthias Franz

March 31, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed; was: LinuxBIOS with X Server Inside

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Jorge, 2007/3/31, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org>: > > Guys, please allow me to say that these comments hurt... > > > I do sincerely appreciate the interest that you show in Dillo; > to me it means you understand the concept of it and have hopes in > the project evolving to its vision. > > Me too. I dedicated seven years of my life to developing Dillo > full time. Living on donations, in poor neighborhoods, rejecting > high salaries, and trying to explain my (non-technical) family I > was not crazy for doing it. All this time the code has been open > and GPLd. Anyone could have done the same I did for the project. > > Sebastian made a huge effort too. Having a job and developing a > web browser is a very demanding task, and he did even more than > that. I highly respect the man. > > In Germany we decided with him to keep the Dillo FLTK2 closed > until we both agreed to release. This was mainly because a > company was to hire us to develop it and declined on the last > minute. > > I once asked in this list how many developers were willing to > work on Dillo FLTK2 if released. One answer still stands. > > From some time ago I think it would be good to release the new > code. I have emailed several times with no answer. > > Finally, I currently fail to see I'm the problem, but it could > be. No person saying otherwise is a strong sign. > I appreciate your dedication to Dillo, you was (are) a good father to this project. As all father you want to protect your child and have fear the way it can follow. But Dillo need to evolve to support features only existents in modern browsers as i18n, javascript, https, tabs, flash (gnash), etc. I know you always had fear that Dillo become very fat and run away from the original intention of project. But maybe you can found a way to balance between these 2 variables (features / size and/or speed), maybe a modular system (using the Dillo plugin system for example). Keeping the source code closed you will not get developers and day after day this code base will become deprecated and don't will get new features. This is the evolution theory of Darwin, if it don't evolve it will die and will be replaced by other (Minimo?, NetSurf?, other). Please Jorge think about this. Now that Linux is become the mainstream on smart phone market, Dillo can get a break (get a chance), but keeping it closed source (on closed curtains) will be more difficult to company see the Dillo potential. > > -- > Sincerely > Jorge.- > Best regards, Alan

March 31, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed; was: LinuxBIOS with X Server Inside

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Guys, please allow me to say that these comments hurt... I do sincerely appreciate the interest that you show in Dillo; to me it means you understand the concept of it and have hopes in the project evolving to its vision. Me too. I dedicated seven years of my life to developing Dillo full time. Living on donations, in poor neighborhoods, rejecting high salaries, and trying to explain my (non-technical) family I was not crazy for doing it. All this time the code has been open and GPLd. Anyone could have done the same I did for the project. Sebastian made a huge effort too. Having a job and developing a web browser is a very demanding task, and he did even more than that. I highly respect the man. In Germany we decided with him to keep the Dillo FLTK2 closed until we both agreed to release. This was mainly because a company was to hire us to develop it and declined on the last minute. I once asked in this list how many developers were willing to work on Dillo FLTK2 if released. One answer still stands. From some time ago I think it would be good to release the new code. I have emailed several times with no answer. Finally, I currently fail to see I'm the problem, but it could be. No person saying otherwise is a strong sign. -- Sincerely Jorge.-

March 31, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] How to get dillo up to speed; was: LinuxBIOS with X Server Inside

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi, 2007/3/20, Justus Winter <4winter(a)informatik.uni-hamburg.de>: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey folks :) > > I completely agree with Marc on this topic. I have been following this > list for some time now and I have heard all kinds of people proposing > interesting uses for dillo and I like to add one more to this list. > > I have done some research in web security, mostly session riding based > attacks. Dillo, with its missing javascript interpreter and css engine > being a feature this time, is not vulnerable against most session riding > attacks. > > Though most session riding attacks require javascript, it has been > shown, that port scanning and web server fingerprinting is possible > using only html and css. > > So why not use dillo on workstations in your internal network to protect > your intranet web applications against malicious javascript and css? > > Also with its small codebase (compared to geckos), some kind of auditing > might be possible. > > But on the other hand, more and more web sites and web applications > require css (which is definitively a good thing) and javascript (which > may not be a good thing). The web is a moving target, and everyone > developing a web browser is playing catch up with the standards and with > the ever growing demands of users and developers. > > And I for one think, that no one of the big four is doing very well... > > Dillo development has stagnated. So with every day that passes, dillos > practicability, the number of users and the number of developers > interested in doing some work for dillo decreases. > > I can understand Jorges bitterness, but this wont get dillo anywhere. If > its more work for a company (-> money and time) to get dillo up to speed > to meet their needs than to strip down gecko or khtml until it fits into > their devices (or whatever they want to do with it), they wont choose dillo. > > With every single day, the value of the dillo codebase decreases. And on > some day it wont matter if it is ever released or not, because it is > completely useless for the applications and sites out there. Maybe this > day has already passed without any one noticing. > > By the way, I keep referring to "the code". Yes I know that the GTK > branch is out there. Yes, I have taken a look at it and yes, I began to > develop an plugin, but I realized that the plugin interface was lacking > some important things (registering uri handlers comes to mind - it is > hardly an plugin if you need to touch and recompile parts of dillo). > > So I stopped before I began any serious work. Dillo felt dead. No one is > going to invest time in an project which was somewhat abandoned by its > main developer. No offense, but this is how it feels. > > Most free software developers are working on these kind of projects in > their leisure time, they want to have fun. If dillo wants to attract > developers, developing dillo needs to be fun. There are lots and lots of > free software projects that discussed how to make developing their > software fun. Things like giving write access to repositories to > developers interested in development, creating branches or creating a > wiki could help. > > It is somewhat true, that one or two developers working on dillo full > time would be nice, but as long as no one pays for this, I don't see how > this is possible. But this all or nothing attitude will kill dillo in > the long term. > > Jorge, consider releasing this patch of yours. You have got very little > to loose (or am I missing something?) but this might spark some interest > in dillo development again. > > Just my thoughts... > Sure, I agree with you! As can be seen at: http://www.dellideastorm.com LinuxBIOS is the 10 most voted idea to Dell implement. If you get Dillo running inside the LinuxBIOS the interest in this web-browser will increase newly, then now it the time to Dillo show its worth. Jorge, consider this. > > Cheers, > Justus Cheers, Alan

March 21, 2007