Structuring the SFD Wiki for 2011
Dear all, I have started to work on the wiki structure for 2011 and considering the issues we had last year with the American continent we are orientating ourselves towards a different split. We will keep the same sub-structure of Continent/Country/City/Team or sometimes Continent/Region/Country/City/Team . This year we will be stricter on the City/Team as we had some city page hijack in 2010 where some team took the whole page and other teams in the same area had issues being listed. Yes for small areas it lengthen the URL but we need to be fair to all teams. We will keep the "URL shortener service" as well (need to be arranged for 2011). The 2011 home page can be found here: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011 No country page has been added yet, and I also need to adapt all the templates which Thilo did last year. Subdivisions chosen is available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas#Terminology - 3rd one from the top. I still have a few questions before I start copying and adapting stuff from 2010: - Is the chosen split ok? The logic is that we have 3 areas. I discarded the 3 other splits because: * Split 1: the one we used last year and which people complained about * Split 2: so few countries in Central America and then there is one more zone called Caribbean making a total of 4 zones * Split 4: it's a 2 zones split, but not matching what one could think of physical continents. - The entry page for South America is currently in Spanish (same as 2010). Does it make sense? http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/SouthAmerica - Should we keep the 3rd split which is currently implemented I would suggest to place the 2 countries in green in Middle America but without much background information. What do you guys think? - Maybe someone could resend that email to the planning-es list translated so everyone fully understand what it's all about (and then translate the feedback back too... No hablo español) - Maybe same goes for planning-pt, though I don't think we have a lot of subscribers yet. Thanks and looking forward to constructive feedback. PLEASE DO NOT CREATE TEAM PAGES YET AS STRUCTURE COULD CHANGE! Fred SFI President
On Wednesday 11,May,2011 06:03 AM, Frederic Muller - SFI wrote:
Dear all,
I have started to work on the wiki structure for 2011 and considering the issues we had last year with the American continent we are orientating ourselves towards a different split.
We will keep the same sub-structure of Continent/Country/City/Team or sometimes Continent/Region/Country/City/Team . This year we will be stricter on the City/Team as we had some city page hijack in 2010 where some team took the whole page and other teams in the same area had issues being listed. Yes for small areas it lengthen the URL but we need to be fair to all teams.
We used 2010/Asia/Singapore last year for the Singapore page. It is OK to use both country and city name to match the pattern you describe. For example: 2011/Asia/Singapore/Singapore
We will keep the "URL shortener service" as well (need to be arranged for 2011).
The 2011 home page can be found here: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011
No country page has been added yet, and I also need to adapt all the templates which Thilo did last year. Subdivisions chosen is available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas#Terminology - 3rd one from the top.
I would propose the 2nd from the top, as there is less ambiguity. In the third, there are entries that say something like, "May be included in..." As well, USA usage is to say "Central America" for the nations of the isthmus connecting the two continents. When we say "Middle America" we are referring to middle class culture, values, politics and economic class. In the USA, using this term for a geographic division is going to cause wide-spread confusion. I have read what you've written below. My preference is based on my belief that directories are cheap, confusion is expensive. Also, it is based on USA usage. Perhaps some of the other participants from outside the USA can provide some insight as to how the division of the Americas is handled elsewhere? Regards David
I still have a few questions before I start copying and adapting stuff from 2010: - Is the chosen split ok? The logic is that we have 3 areas. I discarded the 3 other splits because: * Split 1: the one we used last year and which people complained about * Split 2: so few countries in Central America and then there is one more zone called Caribbean making a total of 4 zones * Split 4: it's a 2 zones split, but not matching what one could think of physical continents. - The entry page for South America is currently in Spanish (same as 2010). Does it make sense? http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/SouthAmerica - Should we keep the 3rd split which is currently implemented I would suggest to place the 2 countries in green in Middle America but without much background information. What do you guys think? - Maybe someone could resend that email to the planning-es list translated so everyone fully understand what it's all about (and then translate the feedback back too... No hablo español) - Maybe same goes for planning-pt, though I don't think we have a lot of subscribers yet.
Thanks and looking forward to constructive feedback.
PLEASE DO NOT CREATE TEAM PAGES YET AS STRUCTURE COULD CHANGE!
Fred SFI President
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On 11/05/2011 12:17 p.m., C David Rigby wrote:
On Wednesday 11,May,2011 06:03 AM, Frederic Muller - SFI wrote:
Dear all,
I have started to work on the wiki structure for 2011 and considering the issues we had last year with the American continent we are orientating ourselves towards a different split.
We will keep the same sub-structure of Continent/Country/City/Team or sometimes Continent/Region/Country/City/Team . This year we will be stricter on the City/Team as we had some city page hijack in 2010 where some team took the whole page and other teams in the same area had issues being listed. Yes for small areas it lengthen the URL but we need to be fair to all teams.
We used 2010/Asia/Singapore last year for the Singapore page. It is OK to use both country and city name to match the pattern you describe. For example:
2011/Asia/Singapore/Singapore
We will keep the "URL shortener service" as well (need to be arranged for 2011).
The 2011 home page can be found here: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011
No country page has been added yet, and I also need to adapt all the templates which Thilo did last year. Subdivisions chosen is available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas#Terminology - 3rd one from the top.
I would propose the 2nd from the top, as there is less ambiguity. In the third, there are entries that say something like, "May be included in..."
As well, USA usage is to say "Central America" for the nations of the isthmus connecting the two continents. When we say "Middle America" we are referring to middle class culture, values, politics and economic class. In the USA, using this term for a geographic division is going to cause wide-spread confusion.
I have read what you've written below. My preference is based on my belief that directories are cheap, confusion is expensive. Also, it is based on USA usage. Perhaps some of the other participants from outside the USA can provide some insight as to how the division of the Americas is handled elsewhere?
Regards David
Hi David/Fred: I'm from Mexico and I think it is much better to call it "Central America", this will be clear for people in my country. These are the 4 regions that most people use when referring to the term"Subdivision of Americas": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LocationNSAm2.png North America Central America Caribbean South America BR /// Christopher ---
I still have a few questions before I start copying and adapting stuff from 2010: - Is the chosen split ok? The logic is that we have 3 areas. I discarded the 3 other splits because: * Split 1: the one we used last year and which people complained about * Split 2: so few countries in Central America and then there is one more zone called Caribbean making a total of 4 zones * Split 4: it's a 2 zones split, but not matching what one could think of physical continents. - The entry page for South America is currently in Spanish (same as 2010). Does it make sense? http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/SouthAmerica - Should we keep the 3rd split which is currently implemented I would suggest to place the 2 countries in green in Middle America but without much background information. What do you guys think? - Maybe someone could resend that email to the planning-es list translated so everyone fully understand what it's all about (and then translate the feedback back too... No hablo español) - Maybe same goes for planning-pt, though I don't think we have a lot of subscribers yet.
Thanks and looking forward to constructive feedback.
PLEASE DO NOT CREATE TEAM PAGES YET AS STRUCTURE COULD CHANGE!
Fred SFI President
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
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On 05/12/2011 04:20 AM, christopher avila wrote:
Hi David/Fred:
I'm from Mexico and I think it is much better to call it "Central America", this will be clear for people in my country. These are the 4 regions that most people use when referring to the term"Subdivision of Americas":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LocationNSAm2.png
North America Central America Caribbean South America
BR /// Christopher
Ok but you're aware that Mexico is NOT Central America as per this definition? I'm really ok with what the majority decides though it has to match some widely approved definition so teams and visitors can easily find their city. Else we can also remove continents all together but we'll end up with a long country list (100+) making navigation/finding your place a bit cumbersome (especially when web surveys say people don't scroll...). Thank you very much for the feedback. Fred
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Frederic Muller - SFI < fred@softwarefreedomday.org> wrote:
On 05/12/2011 04:20 AM, christopher avila wrote:
Hi David/Fred:
I'm from Mexico and I think it is much better to call it "Central America", this will be clear for people in my country. These are the 4 regions that most people use when referring to the term"Subdivision of Americas":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LocationNSAm2.png
North America Central America Caribbean South America
BR /// Christopher
Ok but you're aware that Mexico is NOT Central America as per this definition?
Mexico is NOT part of central america, I live in Quintana Roo, the state that has a border with Belize, and most people are aware is when it start Central america.
I'm really ok with what the majority decides though it has to match some widely approved definition so teams and visitors can easily find their city.
Else we can also remove continents all together but we'll end up with a long country list (100+) making navigation/finding your place a bit cumbersome (especially when web surveys say people don't scroll...).
Thank you very much for the feedback.
Fred
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On 05/12/2011 07:52 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Ok but you're aware that Mexico is NOT Central America as per this definition?
Mexico is NOT part of central america, I live in Quintana Roo, the state that has a border with Belize, and most people are aware is when it start Central america.
Great! Let's wait for a few more feedback, especially from the people who were unhappy last year. Thank you. Fred
On 11/05/2011 06:45 p.m., Frederic Muller - SFI wrote:
On 05/12/2011 04:20 AM, christopher avila wrote:
Hi David/Fred:
I'm from Mexico and I think it is much better to call it "Central America", this will be clear for people in my country. These are the 4 regions that most people use when referring to the term"Subdivision of Americas":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LocationNSAm2.png
North America Central America Caribbean South America
BR /// Christopher Ok but you're aware that Mexico is NOT Central America as per this definition? Hi Fred!
Of course, according to this definition Mexico IS part of North America. (NOT Central America) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LocationNSAm2.png BR Christopher
I'm really ok with what the majority decides though it has to match some widely approved definition so teams and visitors can easily find their city.
Else we can also remove continents all together but we'll end up with a long country list (100+) making navigation/finding your place a bit cumbersome (especially when web surveys say people don't scroll...).
Thank you very much for the feedback.
Fred
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
On Wednesday 11,May,2011 07:45 PM, Frederic Muller - SFI wrote:
On 05/12/2011 04:20 AM, christopher avila wrote:
Hi David/Fred:
I'm from Mexico and I think it is much better to call it "Central America", this will be clear for people in my country. These are the 4 regions that most people use when referring to the term"Subdivision of Americas":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LocationNSAm2.png
North America Central America Caribbean South America
BR /// Christopher
Ok but you're aware that Mexico is NOT Central America as per this definition?
Mexico is in North America. Always has been, always will be! {;->
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:20 PM, christopher avila < avila.christopher@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/05/2011 12:17 p.m., C David Rigby wrote:
On Wednesday 11,May,2011 06:03 AM, Frederic Muller - SFI wrote:
Dear all,
I have started to work on the wiki structure for 2011 and considering the issues we had last year with the American continent we are orientating ourselves towards a different split.
We will keep the same sub-structure of Continent/Country/City/Team or sometimes Continent/Region/Country/City/Team . This year we will be stricter on the City/Team as we had some city page hijack in 2010 where some team took the whole page and other teams in the same area had issues being listed. Yes for small areas it lengthen the URL but we need to be fair to all teams.
We used 2010/Asia/Singapore last year for the Singapore page. It is OK to use both country and city name to match the pattern you describe. For example:
2011/Asia/Singapore/Singapore
We will keep the "URL shortener service" as well (need to be arranged for 2011).
The 2011 home page can be found here: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011
No country page has been added yet, and I also need to adapt all the templates which Thilo did last year. Subdivisions chosen is available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas#Terminology - 3rd one from the top.
I would propose the 2nd from the top, as there is less ambiguity. In the third, there are entries that say something like, "May be included in..."
As well, USA usage is to say "Central America" for the nations of the isthmus connecting the two continents. When we say "Middle America" we are referring to middle class culture, values, politics and economic class. In the USA, using this term for a geographic division is going to cause wide-spread confusion.
I have read what you've written below. My preference is based on my belief that directories are cheap, confusion is expensive. Also, it is based on USA usage. Perhaps some of the other participants from outside the USA can provide some insight as to how the division of the Americas is handled elsewhere?
Regards David
Hi David/Fred:
I'm from Mexico and I think it is much better to call it "Central America", this will be clear for people in my country. These are the 4 regions that most people use when referring to the term"Subdivision of Americas":
Not at all Mexico has always been part of North america, not by any stretch will it be consider central america. North America Agreement just to cite an example is Mexico US and Canada. Other thins like North American LibreOffice group is also done by including Mexico Canada and the US: http://libreoffice-na.us/ I am from Mexico too and I am sure nobody in Mexico will be confused by calling Mexico North america.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LocationNSAm2.png
North America Central America Caribbean South America
BR /// Christopher
---
I still have a few questions before I start copying and adapting stuff from 2010: - Is the chosen split ok? The logic is that we have 3 areas. I discarded the 3 other splits because: * Split 1: the one we used last year and which people complained about * Split 2: so few countries in Central America and then there is one more zone called Caribbean making a total of 4 zones * Split 4: it's a 2 zones split, but not matching what one could think of physical continents. - The entry page for South America is currently in Spanish (same as 2010). Does it make sense? http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/SouthAmerica - Should we keep the 3rd split which is currently implemented I would suggest to place the 2 countries in green in Middle America but without much background information. What do you guys think? - Maybe someone could resend that email to the planning-es list translated so everyone fully understand what it's all about (and then translate the feedback back too... No hablo español) - Maybe same goes for planning-pt, though I don't think we have a lot of subscribers yet.
Thanks and looking forward to constructive feedback.
PLEASE DO NOT CREATE TEAM PAGES YET AS STRUCTURE COULD CHANGE!
Fred SFI President
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing listSFD-discuss@sf-day.orghttp://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
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On 05/12/2011 01:17 AM, C David Rigby wrote:
We used 2010/Asia/Singapore last year for the Singapore page. It is OK to use both country and city name to match the pattern you describe. For example:
2011/Asia/Singapore/Singapore
Oh yes, I forgot that there might be exceptions... [...]
No country page has been added yet, and I also need to adapt all the templates which Thilo did last year. Subdivisions chosen is available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas#Terminology - 3rd one from the top.
I would propose the 2nd from the top, as there is less ambiguity. In the third, there are entries that say something like, "May be included in..."
I really want feedback from the people living in that region as they are the ones who complained heavily. But thanks. Fred
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Frederic Muller - SFI