On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:20 PM, christopher avila <avila.christopher@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/05/2011 12:17 p.m., C David Rigby wrote:
On Wednesday 11,May,2011 06:03 AM, Frederic Muller - SFI wrote:
Dear all,

I have started to work on the wiki structure for 2011 and considering 
the issues we had last year with the American continent we are 
orientating ourselves towards a different split.

We will keep the same sub-structure of Continent/Country/City/Team or 
sometimes Continent/Region/Country/City/Team . This year we will be 
stricter on the City/Team as we had some city page hijack in 2010 where 
some team took the whole page and other teams in the same area had 
issues being listed. Yes for small areas it lengthen the URL but we need 
to be fair to all teams.

We used 2010/Asia/Singapore last year for the Singapore page. It is OK
to use both country and city name to match the pattern you describe. For
example:

2011/Asia/Singapore/Singapore


We will keep the "URL shortener service" as well (need to be arranged 
for 2011).

The 2011 home page can be found here: 
http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011

No country page has been added yet, and I also need to adapt all the 
templates which Thilo did last year. Subdivisions chosen is available 
here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas#Terminology - 3rd one from 
the top.

I would propose the 2nd from the top, as there is less ambiguity. In the
third, there are entries that say something like, "May be included in..."

As well, USA usage is to say "Central America" for the nations of the
isthmus connecting the two continents. When we say "Middle America" we
are referring to middle class culture, values, politics and economic
class. In the USA, using this term for a geographic division is going to
cause wide-spread confusion.

I have read what you've written below. My preference is based on my
belief that directories are cheap, confusion is expensive. Also, it is
based on USA usage. Perhaps some of the other participants from outside
the USA can provide some insight as to how the division of the Americas
is handled elsewhere?

Regards
David

Hi David/Fred:

I'm from Mexico and I think it is much better to call it "Central America",  this will be clear for people in my country.
These are the 4 regions that most people use when referring to the term"Subdivision of Americas":

Not at all Mexico has always been part of North america, not by any stretch will it be consider central america.
North America Agreement just to cite an example is Mexico US and Canada.
Other thins like North American LibreOffice group is also done by including Mexico Canada and the US:
http://libreoffice-na.us/

I am from Mexico too and I am sure nobody in Mexico will be confused by calling Mexico North america.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LocationNSAm2.png

North America
Central America
Caribbean
South America

BR /// Christopher


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I still have a few questions before I start copying and adapting stuff 
from 2010:
- Is the chosen split ok? The logic is that we have 3 areas. I discarded 
the 3 other splits because:
  * Split 1: the one we used last year and which people complained about
  * Split 2: so few countries in Central America and then there is one 
more zone called Caribbean making a total of 4 zones
  * Split 4: it's a 2 zones split, but not matching what one could think 
of physical continents.
- The entry page for South America is currently in Spanish (same as 
2010). Does it make sense? 
http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/SouthAmerica
- Should we keep the 3rd split which is currently implemented I would 
suggest to place the 2 countries in green in Middle America but without 
much background information. What do you guys think?
- Maybe someone could resend that email to the planning-es list 
translated so everyone fully understand what it's all about (and then 
translate the feedback back too... No hablo español)
- Maybe same goes for planning-pt, though I don't think we have a lot of 
subscribers yet.

Thanks and looking forward to constructive feedback.

PLEASE DO NOT CREATE TEAM PAGES YET AS STRUCTURE COULD CHANGE!

Fred
SFI President


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