Dear Mr. Fred, Thanks for your view towards the project. I do accept that the project is very much similar to that of OpenDisc but i would like you to refer the url http://opendisc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/opendisc/Kiwix/OpenDisc/ . *This clearly depicts that it has not been updated from 21 months.* I hope that it's quite a large period. " Why don't we contribute back to the Open Disc[1] project rather than make a new one that is very similar to the original one? I'm a bit puzzled. " I have inherited the entire framework from this project. In fact the ideas. Thank to all those people who have did this. Those who did some thing will always remain wid us and as an addon i adding my team and the supporters contributions. We are also having a page for the Credits . This will contain all those who did it + the new contributors. And regarding the name Swatantra , people have asked me over the IRC wat name i wana give to this project when i have shared this idea during a discussion. As a tribute to my nation i told as "*Swatantra*" - which means Independent. This is our forum and our software freedom day ! I would like you all to suggest the new team as what the best possible. I want that you all people should feel that this should be a product from the Software Freedom International to celebrate and enjoy the Happy Software Freedom Day 2010 ! Regards, Manmohan Brahma Open Source Enthusiast , India

Dear Mr. Fred, It's very fine for alerting me regarding the releases. I would like to say that if we will look at the OpenDisc contents then it satisfies a particular community . In daily life we are coming across a lot of Open Source tools that are not so very popular but can perform powerful operation. Our basic target is to add new contents to satisfy a large mass. Further i would be very much happy if you will put me in touch with Chris. And regarding contributions - > I would like to say you that "My Students to whom i am educating FOSS are very new to programming and are really working very hard , starting from Morning 07:00 AM to 02:00 PM or more to check the latest version , license info , file size , prop alternative . . . to get a change." -- I am not claiming credit for a existing one but giving a source for inspiration. I further like you to talk with Mr. Thilo Pfennig to clarify regarding our conversation over night regarding license. Hope you believe. Regards, Manmohan On 8/1/10, Frederic Muller - SFI <fred@softwarefreedomday.org> wrote:

Dear Manmohan,

Actually you're looking at the wrong place. Latest release is from May 3rd 2010 which is 3 months ago, and the one before was in March 2010 and then February before that. So that's quite an active project if you ask me.

For having emailed Chris (the project lead) in the past, I know he is very responsive and maybe getting in touch with him would help rather than start your copy of the same...

Now you seems to have inherited something... this feels strange to me, as the Open Disc project was started around 2003/4 and sponsored by Canonical at the time and no one really mentioned their names or contributions. You seem to be claiming contributions about somethings that already exist and claiming credits for it. That's not very nice.

A different perspective to your story.

Fred

On 08/01/2010 10:25 PM, Manmohan Brahma wrote:

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Dear Mr. Fred,

Thanks for your view towards the project.

I do accept that the project is very much similar to that of OpenDisc but i would like you to refer the url http://opendisc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/opendisc/Kiwix/OpenDisc/ .

This clearly depicts that it has not been updated from 21 months.

I hope that it's quite a large period.

 " Why don't we contribute back to the Open Disc[1] project rather than make a new one that is very similar to the original one? I'm a bit puzzled. "

I have inherited the entire framework from this project. In fact the ideas. Thank to all those people who have did this.

Those who did some thing will always remain wid us and as an addon i adding my team and the supporters contributions.

We are also having a page for the Credits . This will contain all those who did it + the new contributors.

And regarding the name Swatantra , people have asked me over the IRC wat name i wana give to this project when i have shared this idea during a discussion. As a tribute to my nation i told as "Swatantra" - which means Independent.

This is our forum and our software freedom day ! I would like you all to suggest the new team as what the best possible. I  want that you all people should feel that this should be a product from the Software Freedom International to celebrate and enjoy the Happy Software Freedom Day 2010 !

Regards,

Manmohan Brahma Open Source Enthusiast , India

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Dear Mr. Lars Nooden , Thanks a lot for the early reply and a quick review. Here is the answer to the couple questions that you putted forward. *The स्वतन्त्र DVD could be a thumb drive or usb stick, too, since those are

commonly available in 4GB+ sizes. What is the target audience?*

-- The expected size is 3.8 GB. -- Basically we are tagetting a large mass. -- Childrens -- School Students -- Programers -- Designers & Developers -- Network Managers -- System Administrators -- Most important target are people who are experts and attached to the world of Properitory. (People do work in windows by installing add-on software by two means : Either they purchase it or pirate it. To be very frank my place is a center for piracy. People are not rich enough to purchase. In this regard we tried to migrate them to Linux. But it is becoming bit difficult in their part to suddenly switch to Linux. To make an environment for we have taken an initiative to substitute all the day to day usage with Open Source instead of piracy.) -- and many more . . . *+ It might be useful to avoid the M-word. The center of attention

should be on the FOSS tools or at least the generic, general activity. The generic activity can be listed instead of specific proprietary brands, for example, "productivity software" or "office suite" Second, the FOSS tools should be approached as fine tools in and of themselves, so it is important to avoid framing them as copies or analogues since many actually came first.*

-- Yes ,the center of attention is on FOSS. Generally what personally i felt that people cant identify a software with their description. They identifies it popularity. eg. Adobe Photoshop -- Ya John , it's too costly. Oh! look over here , There is GIMP absolutely free. How's it ? Let's have a look at it. + Since there can be many choices, pick one from each category and then

mention the others. As usual it is a matter of picking the right tool for the job.

-- Ok it will be updated.

+ Berkeley DB and Sqlite are not really equivalent, since Sqlite is sql (ISO/IEC 9075) and Berkeley DB is a hash table (or something like that). Berkeley DB used to be FOSS and though I can't get to the source from Oracle's site, Oracle still seems to imply that it remains FOSS via dual license:

http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/berkeley-db/htdocs/licens...

-- Look Lars ! Oracle licenses are very critical. What i feel is Oracle people doesn't any thing to be open source but just they are trying to show off as they contribute. You will to shocked to read the license of OpenJDK.

+ Of the databases, there is a hierarchical database language M aka MUMPS aka ISO/IEC 15852:1999, which has several implementations and is useful:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mumps/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/fis-gtm/ http://71.174.62.16/MDC/

The FIS implementation, GT.M, has a VM 'toaster' for those still plagued by legacy systems. (GT.M might have a blob, though)

-- None of them is available in Windows readily.

+ The plug-ins and add-ons for Thunderbird and Firefox could be highlighted. Again, here the ala carte nature of computing. Maybe pick three of each to describe and then mention how to search through the others.

-- We will put a few important plugins in a directory with an instruction sheet to install the plugins offline.

+ There should be "advertisements" for some of the major desktop distros and live CDs ( Knoppix, Fedora, Kubuntu, Haiku ) to encourage people do download and try them.

-- There would be Operating System Page which will be having info about few Distros and a link to their Download / Order page.

+ There should be "advertisements" for nice desktop environments and window managers. An important concept is the ability to customize the desktop environment or plain window manager to suite local needs. A lot of must-have features like virtual desktops, multiscreen and multi-seat are unknown to Windows victims.

+ There should be an "advertisement" for WINE. It is not an emulator, but an implementation of the Windows API which may allow users to upgrade to a good system while still keeping legacy applications available until they can be replaced.

-- Ok this we will make it as What all we have in Linux. It's possible to switch from Windows to Linux. Not a big deal !

+ FileZilla probably belongs up in the 'Communication' section, since it is an all around tool for file transfer.

-- Network tools are communication devices. Putting FileZilla in N/W signifies it's for administrators. Communication tool is for users.

+ Bluefish could be added somewhere, either in development because it does a lot or in web design where it's used a lot. When I've asked beginners, they've preferred it over Quanta or Kompozer. http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/

-- We have already added Amaya Web Editor but as you putted a lot of effort in writing a long mail we wil add it up. Just Kidding ! Bluefish Editor seems nice also costs very less . Only 4 MB.

+ R Project (science and engineering) is *big* among statisticians and

professionals working intensively with statistics. Even the big proprietary names like SAS and SPSS are providing hooks to the R programming language. http://www.r-project.org/

-- Added up. It's some thing special.

+ Perl and CPAN. Since python is mentioned, perl could be too. It is the glue that holds the net together. http://www.cpan.org/

-- Added up Strawberry Perl 5.12.1.0 which include CPAN modules.

+ Cytoscape (science and engineering) is a java-based tool for network analysis to visualize interaction networks and pathways and integrate networks with annotations. It was developed for bioinformatics and molecular interaction but useful in other visualization tasks and the core functionality is expandible through plugins. http://www.cytoscape.org/

-- Added up . Cytospace v 2.7.0. It greatly depends on Oracle Java SE. Can you please suggest me any proprietary alternative for it. + Fritzing (science and engineering) is Electronic Design Automation

software, even developed a University just like all other cutting edge software. IMHO better than Kicad. http://fritzing.org/

-- Added up .Fritzing. Suggest me any effective proprietary alternative for it.

+ Koffice has a lot of great tools, and supports OpenDocument Format. Kexi (database) is one that users of old systems might find convenient. Kplato (project management) is another. http://wiki.koffice.org/

-- First we planned to put KOffice but as we are adding Go-oo. We have discarded the idea. + A point of information: Go OpenOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org and

not the same as OpenOffice.org The reason for the fork was the inclusion of some controversial items and licensing. Either way, the important item is support for the OpenDocument Format. http://www.openoffice.org/ http://www.go-oo.org/

-- Currently i am talking with the officials of CDAC , India to support us. So that we will put Bharteeya Open Office. It is a Multilingual Suite of Open Office. + VirtualBox and Qemu are good VMs, useful for development. The

proprietary product it is compared to is so bad that comparing VirtualBox to it implies that VirtualBox is not any good either. http://www.virtualbox.org/ http://wiki.qemu.org/

-- Instead of Oracle Virtual Box - A Properitary product from Oracle we will use Virtual Box Open Source Edition. look @ vbox32.sourceforge.net

+ Zim, Basket and Knotes are good for notes and can be listed with Office & Design

-- We have already listed WikidPad. But we will add this if space permits.

+ Digikam is quite nice for managing digital photos. http://www.digikam.org/

-- Currently we are trying to add KDE on Windows. We are testing for it's value. Once that work wil be done we will be adding it to the project.

-- OpenCMS is a very bulky CMS as compared others. More over wat about it's support,upgaradation, themes and so on... So it becomes bit expensive to put. + Mail can be provided by Postfix, Exim, Dovecot. Mailing lists with

searchable archives via Simpa and GNU Mailman.

+ Bedework is a standards-compliant enterprise calendar server designed in particular for higher education. http://www.bedework.org/

+ Kolab and Citadel are standards-based groupware servers, built out of smaller, commodity components. Citadel is fully GPLv3. Kolab is the product of a series of contracts for the federal office for Security in the Information Technology in the German Government. http://www.kolab.org/ http://www.citadel.org/

+ LTSP and K12LTSP would be suitable for many work or school environments.

+ SE Linux, AppArmor, and systrace are worth mentioning for *production* severs, not devel.

-- I am unable to get the exact usefulness for us. This goes to advanced Administration. I hope that i have answered almost to your question. Thanks again for your valuable suggestions. I would be very much happy if you could suggest some thing more and update the wiki by your own and let us inform back through the mailing list. Regards, Manmohan Brahma -- Manmohan Brahma Research Associate , High Performance Computing Group CSIR Center for Mathematical Modelling & Computer Simulation , Bangalore ,India

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:30 AM, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat@wired.net.nz> wrote:

WLUG was planning to do a similar disk (we distributed 150 copies of "kiaoracd" in 2006) but I may not be able to this year, and if someone else wants to take on the effort I'd be very happy to burn and distribute your disk instead.

Dear Mr. Bruce , *Thanks a lot Bruce for your interest in the project.*

Some suggestions from me; OpenOffice.org has to be on any disk like this IMHO. I would also suggest GIMP, audacity, scribus, inkscape firefox, thunderbird, blender, pencil, handbrake, dvdstyler, qdvdslideshow, stellarium, tuxpaint, battle for wesnoth, yo frankie,

*HandBrake , dvdstyler added to Multimedia , stellarium added to Science & Engg, qdvdslideshow i am not getting it over google.* *battle for wesnoth, yo frankie added in the games. Please do note one thing that if the disc full of and some tools are found which are really important as decided the community then we will go for the removal of the games which occupy quite high. Hope you understand.* **

There are many other worthy programs which I may think of later.

Take a look through osalt and the opendisc for more things worthy of including.

Don't just include bare programs as opendisc does; put in the popular openoffice plugins alongside openoffice, and the "optional" stamps (they are not really optional) with tuxpaint.

And fill up any left over space with "Open content", the open clipart library, blender tutorial videos, big buck bunny, Sita sings the Blues, US NOW, etc. Target size should be as near to 4.7GB as possible, with perhaps a smaller 'stick' image just under 4GB. It really annoyed me when opendisc went to being a DVD and they were only a little over 700MB! If you're going to make it a DVD, make it worth being a DVD. Put lots on it.

*Wish you a happy software freedom day in advance.* ** *Thanks a lot again.* ** Regards Manmohan Open Source Enthusiast , India

Sorry, the program I was thinking of is dvdslideshowgui; http://download.videohelp.com/tin2tin/ I'm going to make a serious effort to rebuild kioracd before the end of August, and make it available in enough time to be useful for other SFD groups. My biggest concern is a good disk browser. The 2006 edition was simply done in html and used the default browser in Windows, that's not really a satisfactory way of doing things any more. I'd like to use kiwix but I've been having trouble figuring out how to adapt it. On 3 August 2010 01:35, Manmohan Brahma <manmohan.brahma@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:30 AM, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat@wired.net.nz> wrote:

...

WLUG was planning to do a similar disk (we distributed 150 copies of "kiaoracd" in 2006) but I may not be able to this year, and if someone else wants to take on the effort I'd be very happy to burn and distribute your disk instead.

Dear Mr. Bruce ,

Thanks a lot Bruce for your interest in the project.

...

Some suggestions from me; OpenOffice.org has to be on any disk like this IMHO. I would also suggest GIMP, audacity, scribus, inkscape firefox, thunderbird, blender, pencil, handbrake, dvdstyler, qdvdslideshow, stellarium, tuxpaint, battle for wesnoth, yo frankie,

HandBrake , dvdstyler added to Multimedia ,  stellarium added to Science & Engg, qdvdslideshow i am not getting it over google. battle for wesnoth, yo frankie added in the games. Please do note one thing that if the disc full of and  some tools are found which are really important as decided the community then we will go for the removal of the games which occupy quite high. Hope you understand.

...

There are many other worthy programs which I may think of later.

Take a look through osalt and the opendisc for more things worthy of including.

Don't just include bare programs as opendisc does; put in the popular openoffice plugins alongside openoffice, and the "optional" stamps (they are not really optional) with tuxpaint.

And fill up any left over space with "Open content", the open clipart library, blender tutorial videos, big buck bunny, Sita sings the Blues, US NOW, etc. Target size should be as near to 4.7GB as possible, with perhaps a smaller 'stick' image just under 4GB. It really annoyed me when opendisc went to being a DVD and they were only a little over 700MB! If you're going to make it a DVD, make it worth being a DVD. Put lots on it.

Wish you a happy software freedom day in advance.

Thanks a lot again.

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Dear Mr. Bruce , Nice to hear about kioracd. We need people like you who energize themselve. Wish you a very good luck. regarding dvdslideshowgui it is a wonderful software under under GPL. So thanks a lot for a new entry int the multimedia section of Swatantra. Any ways we will be producing definitely Swatanntra by 20 August , but if you feel at any point of time you not able to contribute for kioracd then we are there for you as backup. Any how we need to speard out the message of OSS to the world. After all this is our Software Freedom Day. Regards Manmohan