Quoting from http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/uncorkers:* * ** *Uncorkers is a group of highly ethical hackers who are die hard fans of Free/Open Source softwares, we like to spread FOSS in a world wide scale - ethically hacking most of the computes running windows to seduce the users to use open source software, we think, would do good to every FOSS and a fan's feelings... * *Our plan for this year's sfday is to make a self copying logic bomb see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Bomb for info. which would make ethical and minor changes to host windows computers like changing the wallpaper to software freedom day logo with URI to info, Home page of browser set to softwarefreedomday.org and a page specially made by uncorkers for the occasion search page set to creative commons search or google search for free content... * I understand the organizer intends well, but this seems totally against the spirit of Software Freedom Day. Were we to start hijacking home pages to the SFD site, we also run the risk of it being DNS blocked (by ISPs, AV/AS companies or any other party). Any plan like this could be a PR nightmare for SFD, and I'm sure we don't want to be labelled as hackers in the common definition of the term.
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 8:10 PM, draicone@gmail.com <draicone@gmail.com> wrote:
Quoting from http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/uncorkers: I understand the organizer intends well, but this seems totally against the spirit of Software Freedom Day. Were we to start hijacking home pages to the SFD site, we also run the risk of it being DNS blocked (by ISPs, AV/AS companies or any other party). Any plan like this could be a PR nightmare for SFD, and I'm sure we don't want to be labelled as hackers in the common definition of the term.
I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most. Please consider another tactic for promoting FOSS, keeping in mind one goal is to appeal to the general public.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:24 PM, DK <wplug@curlynoodle.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 8:10 PM, draicone@gmail.com <draicone@gmail.com> wrote:
Quoting from http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/uncorkers: I understand the organizer intends well, but this seems totally against the spirit of Software Freedom Day. Were we to start hijacking home pages to the SFD site, we also run the risk of it being DNS blocked (by ISPs, AV/AS companies or any other party). Any plan like this could be a PR nightmare for SFD, and I'm sure we don't want to be labelled as hackers in the common definition of the term.
I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most.
Please consider another tactic for promoting FOSS, keeping in mind one goal is to appeal to the general public.
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It is not useful to do anything which is destructive or intrusive. Infringing the user's space with ones own technology or intent is in contradiction to the idea of software freedom. Not useful. Janet
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:54 PM, DK <wplug@curlynoodle.com> wrote:
I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most.
I'd go as far as to suggest that ethical hacking isn't at all something we want to be associated with, even in the "tech-savvy" definition. Identifying security vulnerabilities is ethical; exploiting them is not. We are not here to force FOSS onto people, and changing their homepage is akin to making them wake up at the back of a Wal-Mart every morning. We are simply here to encourage them to make their own decision, as they'll probably choose the free software (the cheapest blank CDs?).
Thanks for all the criticism and suggestion. This was exactly what i was thinking the day before "The logic bomb should in no way be harsh upon innocent windows users... So we came up with a new Idea... The thing which is not a virus (coz it's gonna do no harm to computers as such) will ask the user when triggered or when trying to copy itself if the user wants to have the thing enter his machine and also provides a "Totally Harmless" certificate from a security testing body, I have not yet thought of what this "body " is going to be but hoping can some how get ClamWin ppl to help us. And there will be a link on the home page about what haker and cracker mean on the Yes No prompt pointing to RFC1392 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1392.txt which makes the difference very clear... Or if you totally criticise me after all these You are welcome to suggest anything that Uncorkers can do for sf-day (something electronical and ethical)... We promise not to disobey the FOSS philosophy and the moral protocol Thanx a lot! --Shashi On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM, draicone@gmail.com <draicone@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:54 PM, DK <wplug@curlynoodle.com> wrote:
I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most.
I'd go as far as to suggest that ethical hacking isn't at all something we want to be associated with, even in the "tech-savvy" definition. Identifying security vulnerabilities is ethical; exploiting them is not. We are not here to force FOSS onto people, and changing their homepage is akin to making them wake up at the back of a Wal-Mart every morning. We are simply here to encourage them to make their own decision, as they'll probably choose the free software (the cheapest blank CDs?).
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for all the criticism and suggestion. This was exactly what i was thinking the day before "The logic bomb should in no way be harsh upon innocent windows users... So we came up with a new Idea... The thing which is not a virus (coz it's gonna do no harm to computers as such) will ask the user when triggered or when trying to copy itself if the user wants to have the thing enter his machine and also provides a "Totally Harmless" certificate from a security testing body, I have not yet thought of what this "body " is going to be but hoping can some how get ClamWin ppl to help us. And there will be a link on the home page about what haker and cracker mean on the Yes No prompt pointing to RFC1392 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1392.txt which makes the difference very clear...
Or if you totally criticise me after all these You are welcome to suggest anything that Uncorkers can do for sf-day (something electronical and ethical)... We promise not to disobey the FOSS philosophy and the moral protocol
Thanx a lot! --Shashi
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM, draicone@gmail.com <draicone@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:54 PM, DK <wplug@curlynoodle.com> wrote:
I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most.
I'd go as far as to suggest that ethical hacking isn't at all something we want to be associated with, even in the "tech-savvy" definition. Identifying security vulnerabilities is ethical; exploiting them is not. We are not here to force FOSS onto people, and changing their homepage is akin to making them wake up at the back of a Wal-Mart every morning. We are simply here to encourage them to make their own decision, as they'll probably choose the free software (the cheapest blank CDs?).
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose. Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)
By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! Thanx for the fast reply... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose.
Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to agree upon that... No freedom cutdown!
Thanx for the fast reply...
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose.
Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
imagine that someone is doing a windows promotion or a sony cd promotion what kinds of things would you find intrusive if someone did them to you? making freedom is as much giving the user the feeling that they are in control of their own technology as anything else. start with that thought. you are making them feel empowered. what kinds of actions help them recognise that they are in control and have choice. and can be supported in those choices. some of the things which were popular with kids here were the scratch games which can run on windows but which is openly licensed and the lovely penguin racer which was very popular and we had people queuing to play. I think its great that youre passionate and thinking differently. There is so much room for fun without making things which are involuntary. Janet On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also...
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to agree upon that... No freedom cutdown!
Thanx for the fast reply...
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose.
Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
you could make a wireless network between two locations and share irc or video of the two sites. perhaps it could be a community node long term? what do people need where you are? On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
imagine that someone is doing a windows promotion or a sony cd promotion what kinds of things would you find intrusive if someone did them to you?
making freedom is as much giving the user the feeling that they are in control of their own technology as anything else. start with that thought. you are making them feel empowered. what kinds of actions help them recognise that they are in control and have choice. and can be supported in those choices. some of the things which were popular with kids here were the scratch games which can run on windows but which is openly licensed and the lovely penguin racer which was very popular and we had people queuing to play.
I think its great that youre passionate and thinking differently. There is so much room for fun without making things which are involuntary.
Janet
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also...
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to agree upon that... No freedom cutdown!
Thanx for the fast reply...
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose.
Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
In the place where I am PPL reallllly don't care about software itself!!!! but what about the Wireless connection I did not understan what you meant by "two sites"... I got your fabulous work message I'll upload photos and give a link in the wiki after that!!!! I mean i don't think you are understanding what i said...Look this is my plan 1. first each member will choose 2 inet cafes go to the owner, negotiate about the Thing and put the processes that cater the info on each computer and people who find it interesting can copy a copy by clicking on ok... the copy can also be a harmless and always open source html instead of an exe... or a native chm which is not quite "open"... Got the other message the ethical hacking contest is totally from the college I'm just coding the lan site participants need to hack...and it does not have anything to do with the open letter... the ethical hacking also includes an initial presentation on Hacker culture (the tech savvy trend that started at MIT and Theories of richard Stallman and some cartoons of his!)... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
you could make a wireless network between two locations and share irc or video of the two sites. perhaps it could be a community node long term? what do people need where you are?
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
imagine that someone is doing a windows promotion or a sony cd promotion what kinds of things would you find intrusive if someone did them to you?
making freedom is as much giving the user the feeling that they are in control of their own technology as anything else. start with that thought. you are making them feel empowered. what kinds of actions help them recognise that they are in control and have choice. and can be supported in those choices. some of the things which were popular with kids here were the scratch games which can run on windows but which is openly licensed and the lovely penguin racer which was very popular and we had people queuing to play.
I think its great that youre passionate and thinking differently. There is so much room for fun without making things which are involuntary.
Janet
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also...
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to agree upon that... No freedom cutdown!
Thanx for the fast reply...
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose.
Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds an act (always?)... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
In the place where I am PPL reallllly don't care about software itself!!!! but what about the Wireless connection I did not understan what you meant by "two sites"... I got your fabulous work message I'll upload photos and give a link in the wiki after that!!!! I mean i don't think you are understanding what i said...Look this is my plan 1. first each member will choose 2 inet cafes go to the owner, negotiate about the Thing and put the processes that cater the info on each computer and people who find it interesting can copy a copy by clicking on ok... the copy can also be a harmless and always open source html instead of an exe... or a native chm which is not quite "open"... Got the other message the ethical hacking contest is totally from the college I'm just coding the lan site participants need to hack...and it does not have anything to do with the open letter... the ethical hacking also includes an initial presentation on Hacker culture (the tech savvy trend that started at MIT and Theories of richard Stallman and some cartoons of his!)...
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
you could make a wireless network between two locations and share irc or video of the two sites. perhaps it could be a community node long term? what do people need where you are?
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
imagine that someone is doing a windows promotion or a sony cd promotion what kinds of things would you find intrusive if someone did them to you?
making freedom is as much giving the user the feeling that they are in control of their own technology as anything else. start with that thought. you are making them feel empowered. what kinds of actions help them recognise that they are in control and have choice. and can be supported in those choices. some of the things which were popular with kids here were the scratch games which can run on windows but which is openly licensed and the lovely penguin racer which was very popular and we had people queuing to play.
I think its great that youre passionate and thinking differently. There is so much room for fun without making things which are involuntary.
Janet
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also...
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to agree upon that... No freedom cutdown!
Thanx for the fast reply...
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote: > There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. > You can offer them a CD > Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose.
Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
_______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds an act (always?)...
Perhaps the best thing to do is to write up exactly what you are aiming to do post the images and all on the wiki. eg Internet cafe. Get approval from cafe owner to include software on the computers which can be downloaded to people's usb drives. Ask for permission to have the start page of the browser launch on a page which has something funky about Software Freedom Day and a link they can click to download the software to their usb drive. Perhaps this is what youre suggesting. I think its just describing it as hacking which is giving me problems because even though we know that hacking can be what we call writing code, when youre using it in a context where it is moving code from one person's space to another it tends to sound more like cracking. We need to be careful to avoid that kind of impression for an international event. Sorry if this is disappointing but I think you have much to offer for the event and no need to risk it =) Janet That way people can think through exactly what youre suggesting. We do have to be very careful about what we do with Software Freedom especially on an international event =) I think if you could do a display about the kind of work youre doing to promote linux in education that could be good too.
Thanks a lot Janet... Thats a whole lot of invaluable suggestions i got today I updated my WIKI just now.... I'm posting the whole thing (this conversation) on the uncorkers protected blog which is automatically emailed to all the members.... If anyone outthere wants to joun us youcan drop a mail at uncorkers@gmail.com We are only 4 right now all are indians we need worldwide participation... It'd be better if our team is made a global team can anyone tell me how to make a team global...??? On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds an act (always?)...
Perhaps the best thing to do is to write up exactly what you are aiming to do post the images and all on the wiki. eg
Internet cafe. Get approval from cafe owner to include software on the computers which can be downloaded to people's usb drives. Ask for permission to have the start page of the browser launch on a page which has something funky about Software Freedom Day and a link they can click to download the software to their usb drive. Perhaps this is what youre suggesting. I think its just describing it as hacking which is giving me problems because even though we know that hacking can be what we call writing code, when youre using it in a context where it is moving code from one person's space to another it tends to sound more like cracking. We need to be careful to avoid that kind of impression for an international event. Sorry if this is disappointing but I think you have much to offer for the event and no need to risk it =) Janet
That way people can think through exactly what youre suggesting. We do have to be very careful about what we do with Software Freedom especially on an international event =)
I think if you could do a display about the kind of work youre doing to promote linux in education that could be good too.
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I got it go here http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/global/uncorkers and create one... will I have to delete the previous wiki page one if i want to make the team global? On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot Janet... Thats a whole lot of invaluable suggestions i got today I updated my WIKI just now.... I'm posting the whole thing (this conversation) on the uncorkers protected blog which is automatically emailed to all the members.... If anyone outthere wants to joun us youcan drop a mail at uncorkers@gmail.com We are only 4 right now all are indians we need worldwide participation... It'd be better if our team is made a global team can anyone tell me how to make a team global...???
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds an act (always?)...
Perhaps the best thing to do is to write up exactly what you are aiming to do post the images and all on the wiki. eg
Internet cafe. Get approval from cafe owner to include software on the computers which can be downloaded to people's usb drives. Ask for permission to have the start page of the browser launch on a page which has something funky about Software Freedom Day and a link they can click to download the software to their usb drive. Perhaps this is what youre suggesting. I think its just describing it as hacking which is giving me problems because even though we know that hacking can be what we call writing code, when youre using it in a context where it is moving code from one person's space to another it tends to sound more like cracking. We need to be careful to avoid that kind of impression for an international event. Sorry if this is disappointing but I think you have much to offer for the event and no need to risk it =) Janet
That way people can think through exactly what youre suggesting. We do have to be very careful about what we do with Software Freedom especially on an international event =)
I think if you could do a display about the kind of work youre doing to promote linux in education that could be good too.
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currently the team is recognised by the teams/uncorkers wiki can some one who can change it to teams/global/uncorkers... I mean when i registered the team i gave the teams/uncorkers wiki URL help needed... I've copied the contents already.. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
I got it go here http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/global/uncorkers and create one... will I have to delete the previous wiki page one if i want to make the team global?
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot Janet... Thats a whole lot of invaluable suggestions i got today I updated my WIKI just now.... I'm posting the whole thing (this conversation) on the uncorkers protected blog which is automatically emailed to all the members.... If anyone outthere wants to joun us youcan drop a mail at uncorkers@gmail.com We are only 4 right now all are indians we need worldwide participation... It'd be better if our team is made a global team can anyone tell me how to make a team global...???
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds an act (always?)...
Perhaps the best thing to do is to write up exactly what you are aiming to do post the images and all on the wiki. eg
Internet cafe. Get approval from cafe owner to include software on the computers which can be downloaded to people's usb drives. Ask for permission to have the start page of the browser launch on a page which has something funky about Software Freedom Day and a link they can click to download the software to their usb drive. Perhaps this is what youre suggesting. I think its just describing it as hacking which is giving me problems because even though we know that hacking can be what we call writing code, when youre using it in a context where it is moving code from one person's space to another it tends to sound more like cracking. We need to be careful to avoid that kind of impression for an international event. Sorry if this is disappointing but I think you have much to offer for the event and no need to risk it =) Janet
That way people can think through exactly what youre suggesting. We do have to be very careful about what we do with Software Freedom especially on an international event =)
I think if you could do a display about the kind of work youre doing to promote linux in education that could be good too.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Shashi schrieb:
If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that
Sashi, the term "logi bomb" alone frightens people. Also I do not believe that its necessary to convince people aggressively. Regards, Thilo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (OpenBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiUdk4ACgkQK3WHfZT3wS0M2gCfajObMv1pEnYQ3mvAbUQZ7aGJ P5gAn1G3XL73CGIYE5/yKh4atuoALI1h =WJHJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I understand that those "ethical hackers" want to do something with there particular skills and at the same time do a philosophical "action", pretty much like a greenpeace activist who do go sometimes against the law but for something good Anything that looks like a virus and act as virus will be considered as virus, even non destructive, and illegitimate. Environmentalist can sometimes do civil disobedience but because the cause is widely share in the public view. Free software issues are not that widely share the vast majority of people don't even know about it. This act, albeit original and quite in accordance with the "militant spirit" of FOSS will be badly regarded. I don't know where you live but here's something I do when I go to an internet cafe (in some countries they are numerous) I think this is direct action and will never hurt anyone. I always have the windows version of Firefox with me on a usb stick and also a wallpaper - normally a firefox one but for SFD you can think of a Free Software wall paper. So what I do is I install firefox and the wallpaper (you would be surprised on how many internet cafe leave security to 0) it takes me few minutes only and I always feel good after. Other original ideas for those who want "action" Distributing CD of free softwares in public places, like metros or parks that day or the days before will have a "shocking" but harmless effect. Have a dog wearing a linux shirt. Ask some local squigees/punks to distribute SFD cd/fliers at the same time they work cleaning car windshields. Deploy large banners in an unusual place, (be careful in some place it is not welcome to do that) Ask local rock bands to make a show to "free software" and distribute CD during the show SFD does not need to be "boring" or academic Have a nice day David On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose.
Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)
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Thanks For all the care David, I live in india by the way and what you do in cafe is almost what i have done here and the cafe guy supports me... ialso advised him to install ubuntu coz it does not catch viral fevers! but he's only stopping because people here totally don't know linux... I and my collegemates (I'm 16 and am in ajunior college) are getting t-shirts with FSF symbol printed on the back for the School's Annual Fest this year... which is on 14th Aug. and we are making a sign-an-open-letter campaign to send a letter to our state educational board to support free software and teach Unix & Linux instead of windows and ms office... I have organised an ethical hacking competition in the Fest after which i'll give a presentation on Free Soft... Bye Pls read my prev. message Just got an update from Janet On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM, David Tremblay <david@ngowiki.net> wrote:
I understand that those "ethical hackers" want to do something with there particular skills and at the same time do a philosophical "action", pretty much like a greenpeace activist who do go sometimes against the law but for something good
Anything that looks like a virus and act as virus will be considered as virus, even non destructive, and illegitimate. Environmentalist can sometimes do civil disobedience but because the cause is widely share in the public view.
Free software issues are not that widely share the vast majority of people don't even know about it. This act, albeit original and quite in accordance with the "militant spirit" of FOSS will be badly regarded.
I don't know where you live but here's something I do when I go to an internet cafe (in some countries they are numerous) I think this is direct action and will never hurt anyone. I always have the windows version of Firefox with me on a usb stick and also a wallpaper - normally a firefox one but for SFD you can think of a Free Software wall paper. So what I do is I install firefox and the wallpaper (you would be surprised on how many internet cafe leave security to 0) it takes me few minutes only and I always feel good after.
Other original ideas for those who want "action"
Distributing CD of free softwares in public places, like metros or parks that day or the days before will have a "shocking" but harmless effect. Have a dog wearing a linux shirt. Ask some local squigees/punks to distribute SFD cd/fliers at the same time they work cleaning car windshields. Deploy large banners in an unusual place, (be careful in some place it is not welcome to do that) Ask local rock bands to make a show to "free software" and distribute CD during the show
SFD does not need to be "boring" or academic
Have a nice day
David
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose.
Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)
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-- David Tremblay
IT analyst mob: 418-208-3631
jabber: ict4ngo skype : ict4ngo
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-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
sounds like you are doing fabulous work On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks For all the care David, I live in india by the way and what you do in cafe is almost what i have done here and the cafe guy supports me... ialso advised him to install ubuntu coz it does not catch viral fevers! but he's only stopping because people here totally don't know linux... I and my collegemates (I'm 16 and am in ajunior college) are getting t-shirts with FSF symbol printed on the back for the School's Annual Fest this year... which is on 14th Aug. and we are making a sign-an-open-letter campaign to send a letter to our state educational board to support free software and teach Unix & Linux instead of windows and ms office... I have organised an ethical hacking competition in the Fest after which i'll give a presentation on Free Soft...
Bye Pls read my prev. message Just got an update from Janet
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM, David Tremblay <david@ngowiki.net> wrote:
I understand that those "ethical hackers" want to do something with there particular skills and at the same time do a philosophical "action", pretty much like a greenpeace activist who do go sometimes against the law but for something good
Anything that looks like a virus and act as virus will be considered as virus, even non destructive, and illegitimate. Environmentalist can sometimes do civil disobedience but because the cause is widely share in the public view.
Free software issues are not that widely share the vast majority of people don't even know about it. This act, albeit original and quite in accordance with the "militant spirit" of FOSS will be badly regarded.
I don't know where you live but here's something I do when I go to an internet cafe (in some countries they are numerous) I think this is direct action and will never hurt anyone. I always have the windows version of Firefox with me on a usb stick and also a wallpaper - normally a firefox one but for SFD you can think of a Free Software wall paper. So what I do is I install firefox and the wallpaper (you would be surprised on how many internet cafe leave security to 0) it takes me few minutes only and I always feel good after.
Other original ideas for those who want "action"
Distributing CD of free softwares in public places, like metros or parks that day or the days before will have a "shocking" but harmless effect. Have a dog wearing a linux shirt. Ask some local squigees/punks to distribute SFD cd/fliers at the same time they work cleaning car windshields. Deploy large banners in an unusual place, (be careful in some place it is not welcome to do that) Ask local rock bands to make a show to "free software" and distribute CD during the show
SFD does not need to be "boring" or academic
Have a nice day
David
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose.
Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)
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-- David Tremblay
IT analyst mob: 418-208-3631
jabber: ict4ngo skype : ict4ngo
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-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
sounds like you are doing fabulous work
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks For all the care David, I live in india by the way and what you do in cafe is almost what i have done here and the cafe guy supports me... ialso advised him to install ubuntu coz it does not catch viral fevers! but he's only stopping because people here totally don't know linux... I and my collegemates (I'm 16 and am in ajunior college) are getting t-shirts with FSF symbol printed on the back for the School's Annual Fest this year... which is on 14th Aug. and we are making a sign-an-open-letter campaign to send a letter to our state educational board to support free software and teach Unix & Linux instead of windows and ms office... I have organised an ethical hacking competition in the Fest
just take care about the ethical hacking idea because the actions can be enterpreted in different ways. you are doing much good work to promote linux in education and it would not be likely to help that ause if the departments were wondering if it would result in people doing more cracking. write code by all means or have a competition to write something but keep the users' freedoms in mind and also the reputation of your work with other agencies =)
after which i'll give a presentation on Free Soft...
Bye Pls read my prev. message Just got an update from Janet
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM, David Tremblay <david@ngowiki.net> wrote:
I understand that those "ethical hackers" want to do something with there particular skills and at the same time do a philosophical "action", pretty much like a greenpeace activist who do go sometimes against the law but for something good
Anything that looks like a virus and act as virus will be considered as virus, even non destructive, and illegitimate. Environmentalist can sometimes do civil disobedience but because the cause is widely share in the public view.
Free software issues are not that widely share the vast majority of people don't even know about it. This act, albeit original and quite in accordance with the "militant spirit" of FOSS will be badly regarded.
I don't know where you live but here's something I do when I go to an internet cafe (in some countries they are numerous) I think this is direct action and will never hurt anyone. I always have the windows version of Firefox with me on a usb stick and also a wallpaper - normally a firefox one but for SFD you can think of a Free Software wall paper. So what I do is I install firefox and the wallpaper (you would be surprised on how many internet cafe leave security to 0) it takes me few minutes only and I always feel good after.
Other original ideas for those who want "action"
Distributing CD of free softwares in public places, like metros or parks that day or the days before will have a "shocking" but harmless effect. Have a dog wearing a linux shirt. Ask some local squigees/punks to distribute SFD cd/fliers at the same time they work cleaning car windshields. Deploy large banners in an unusual place, (be careful in some place it is not welcome to do that) Ask local rock bands to make a show to "free software" and distribute CD during the show
SFD does not need to be "boring" or academic
Have a nice day
David
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose.
Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)
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-- David Tremblay
IT analyst mob: 418-208-3631
jabber: ict4ngo skype : ict4ngo
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-- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Janet Hawtin schrieb:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss.
I do not think that there is such an ethos. FLOSS only means open source and free licenses, nothiung more. It should not be extended. FLOSS can also mean commercial software which gives users no choice. If you want more or something different you should find a new term. An on "hackers" - "Hackers" are also coders. So no hackers, no FLOSS. But I also think intruding computers does no good promotion for FLOSS. But as a hacker you can show how easy a Windows computer can be intruded. Regards, Thilo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (OpenBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiUdYUACgkQK3WHfZT3wS0+vQCfYM+YmA+qkm4lWasDXxa4IWob EDUAoNB6pkMfnFZVzcOtdcnUYqqL0Luz =UQq6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Thanks Thilo Pfennig, the emails have been convincing and all critics of FOSS need is one little mistake to blame the whole community and i don't wanna be the cause of the blame... So no more changes in plans towards aggression! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html read this and respect freedom...
Sashi, the term "logi bomb" alone frightens people. Also I do not believe that its necessary to convince people aggressively.
that i think is true.. I apologise for the cause of this whole conversation to all FOSS activists.. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Thilo Pfennig <tp@pfennigsolutions.de> wrote:
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Janet Hawtin schrieb:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss.
I do not think that there is such an ethos. FLOSS only means open source and free licenses, nothiung more. It should not be extended. FLOSS can also mean commercial software which gives users no choice. If you want more or something different you should find a new term.
An on "hackers" - "Hackers" are also coders. So no hackers, no FLOSS. But I also think intruding computers does no good promotion for FLOSS. But as a hacker you can show how easy a Windows computer can be intruded.
Regards, Thilo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (OpenBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
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On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Thilo Pfennig <tp@pfennigsolutions.de> wrote:
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Janet Hawtin schrieb:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss.
I do not think that there is such an ethos. FLOSS only means open source and free licenses, nothiung more. It should not be extended. FLOSS can also mean commercial software which gives users no choice. If you want more or something different you should find a new term.
FLOSS Free Libre Open Source Software maps to the 4 freedoms of the Free Software Foundation. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html RMS is clear on this matter: "In this freedom, it is the user's purpose that matters, not the developer's purpose; you as a user are free to run a program for your purposes, and if you distribute it to someone else, she is then free to run it for her purposes, but you are not entitled to impose your purposes on her."
An on "hackers" - "Hackers" are also coders. So no hackers, no FLOSS. But I also think intruding computers does no good promotion for FLOSS. But as a hacker you can show how easy a Windows computer can be intruded.
You are using the word hacker to mean someone who intrudes not someone who codes. If even the people participating cannot distinguish between coding and intruding then it is best not to engage in the activity or use the term.
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But in our participation 'Hacker' now means tech savvies as opposed to the meaning of Hacker= Cracker in the wiki i've clearly pointed to RFC1329 that distinguishes and defines Hacker and cracker... I apologise to all of you for all that's happened in our effort to bring "ETHICAL" Hacking (White Hating) to spread FOSS. We had been blind about what spreading freedom means.... I pleade you people to encourage all the new ideas from my teammates only if you feel it goes with the free software philosophy... I welcome criticism... I've been too side-changing which i had to be coz i (we) love fs movement and want to be a solemn part of it... All our moves will be posted on the wiki before conducting any operation and also in this thread of the mailing list... please continue the support... On 8/3/08, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Thilo Pfennig <tp@pfennigsolutions.de> wrote:
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Janet Hawtin schrieb:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss.
I do not think that there is such an ethos. FLOSS only means open source and free licenses, nothiung more. It should not be extended. FLOSS can also mean commercial software which gives users no choice. If you want more or something different you should find a new term.
FLOSS Free Libre Open Source Software maps to the 4 freedoms of the Free Software Foundation. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html RMS is clear on this matter: "In this freedom, it is the user's purpose that matters, not the developer's purpose; you as a user are free to run a program for your purposes, and if you distribute it to someone else, she is then free to run it for her purposes, but you are not entitled to impose your purposes on her."
An on "hackers" - "Hackers" are also coders. So no hackers, no FLOSS. But I also think intruding computers does no good promotion for FLOSS. But as a hacker you can show how easy a Windows computer can be intruded.
You are using the word hacker to mean someone who intrudes not someone who codes. If even the people participating cannot distinguish between coding and intruding then it is best not to engage in the activity or use the term.
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