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Today's Topics:
1. Re: JoinDiaspora and other SaaS alternatives (Pockey Lam)
2. Re: JoinDiaspora and other SaaS alternatives (Julian H. Stacey)
3. Re: New OpenDisc release for SFD (Fabi?n Rodr?guez)
4. Re: Using the Shapado Q&A for "post-SFD" suport
(Frederic Muller - SFI)
5. Re: Using the Shapado Q&A for "post-SFD" suport
(Frederic Muller - SFI)
6. Re: JoinDiaspora and other SaaS alternatives (Michael Dorrington)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 22:05:59 +0800
From: Pockey Lam <pockey@softwarefreedomday.org>
Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] JoinDiaspora and other SaaS alternatives
To: Fabi?n Rodr?guez <magicfab@member.fsf.org>
Cc: Open discussions about SFD <sfd-discuss@sf-day.org>
Message-ID: <4E6B6EC7.8010701@softwarefreedomday.org>
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Hi Fabrian,
I would be more than happy to try out diaspora so, I went to
joindiaspora.com and invite myself~ it works too!
Pockey
On 09/10/2011 07:13 PM, Fabi?n Rodr?guez wrote:
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> Hi everyone
>
> If you are on Diaspora's main pod (at joindiaspora.com) please consider
> adding me to your aspects -> magicfab@joindiaspora.com
>
> If you are not but would like to be, please email me offlist with your
> preferred email address and I can send you an invite. To find out more
> about Diaspora, see:
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Diaspora
>
> I think in SFD's context it's important we anticipate questions about
> using SaaS social networks, particularly Facebook and G+, and if we know
> or have tried others such as Diaspora, it makes for an interesting
> discussion on SFD, or even a viable alternative.
>
> I'd love to hear opinions on this, although my goal is only to provide
> another tools for SaaS discussion on SFD should you come across such
> questions. And interesting list of such alternatives for other services
> can be seen here, don't hesitate to augment/modify it:
> http://wiki.autonomo.us/Wish_list
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fabian Rodriguez
> Montral, QC, Canada
> http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab
> ~
> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Montreal
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:54:14 +0200
From: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>
Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] JoinDiaspora and other SaaS alternatives
To: Open discussions about SFD <sfd-discuss@sf-day.org>
Message-ID: <201109101554.p8AFsEHC016119@fire.js.berklix.net>
> > another tools for SaaS discussion on SFD should you come across such
No idea what SaaS was. I looked it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SaaS
"Software as a service"
Just another marketing buzzword:
"The concept of SaaS has been popularized by Salesforce.com,
which coined the term "The End of Software" to differentiate
its (then new) software-as-a-service approach ....
Yawn !
Amusing bit:
"Data escrow .... 85 percent of the participants wanted to
take a copy of their SaaS data. A third of these participants
wanted a copy on a daily basis."
People askng about SAAS & clouds could be told:
Remote data & service clouds can evaporate.
A free app. or server one installs localy from eg an SFD
CDROM/DVD, is an app. & data a remote admin on a remote
SAAS server + cloud can't break for you by unexpected
upgrade, service removal, bankruptcy, net outage, or deciding
to go commercial & charge for next week.
SAAS & clouds are not the direction UK government is going
eg tax office & companies house (co. reg. authority) are
pushing processing on to applicants PCs (Processing of PDF
v. 1.7 editable forms for tax returns by Adobe Reader etc),
Central servers are just for upload on completion, Not
remote SAAS processing.
Cheers,
Julian
--
Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:54:43 -0400
From: Fabi?n Rodr?guez <magicfab@member.fsf.org>
Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] New OpenDisc release for SFD
To: sfd-discuss@sf-day.org
Message-ID: <4E6B8843.5050201@member.fsf.org>
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On 09/09/2011 10:00 AM, Marcelo Araldi wrote:
> I vote for LibreOffice :)
>
> *Marcelo Araldi me encontre na web!
> <http://about.me/marceloaraldi>** *
>
>
>
> 2011/9/9 Ji?? Navr?til <jiri@navratil.cz <mailto:jiri@navratil.cz>>
>
> Phil,
>
> Could you let me know, which non-free games I have to remove from
> SFD2011OpenDisc.iso ? (preferable filenames on DVD)
>
> Fred,
>
> shall I remove openoffice and add libreoffice from OpenDisc.11.09.iso
> ?
>
This made me think, if anyone wants to distribute a separate LibreOffice
DVD here is how I put together a local version for Quebec:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab/LibODVD
Cheers,
Fabian Rodriguez
Montral, QC, Canada
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab
~
http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Montreal
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 00:20:01 +0800
From: Frederic Muller - SFI <fred@softwarefreedomday.org>
Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] Using the Shapado Q&A for "post-SFD" suport
To: sfd-discuss@sf-day.org
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On 09/10/2011 07:08 PM, Fabi?n Rodr?guez wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> As many of you, ** after Sept. 17 ** I anticipate the questions
> and requests for help from people that will discover free software
> or will become more curious about it with this event.
I think that's a great point and we should in fact keep a section for
visitors ending up on sfd website and looking for more information
between each celebration.
>
> I'd like to propose we show participants how to use Shapado FLOSS,
> a Q&A site where questions can be asked in most any language, while
> providing a reputation/score system for questions and answers:
> http://floss.shapado.com/
>
> This is powered by Shapado, and hasn't seen much exposure/use yet,
> but works well. Other FLOSS projects have adopted the same engine,
> creating microsites which share authentication and resources:
> http://ask.debian.net/ (official) http://owncloud.shapado.com/
> (official) http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ (unofficial)
> http://ubuntu.shapado.com/ (unofficial)
Looks very much like a forum discussion to me (with voting, though
voting seems to only be handled as a tag and not to push stuff up by
default). Q&A section should on the contrary not be a discussion but a
carefully planned answer list to what people may or may not wonder
about. Anything else should then be asked through our normal
communication channels. As I have been saying in the past I don't
think mailing lists (or GMANE) are well suited for people wanting to
ask a one time question (one may argue that Google probably is... ;-)
) or for people who simply do not like mailing lists.
> ..
>
> And the list goes on.
>
> For general FLOSS questions, including Mac/Windows related ones, I
> find this may be an excellent way to provide post-SFD support and
> assistance to the people we will meet. It provides several
> advantages over forums and newsgroups, while presenting a
> multilingual web interface that is easier to use and builds
> FAQ-like knowledge over time.
>
> Shapado has an IRC channel if anyone here has questions (#shapado
> on Freenode) and of course dogfoods its own Q&A at Shapado.com. If
> anyone wants to help with the admin/graphic design or moderation of
> the FLOSS microsite, please come by IRC and ask around. I have no
> other connection with the project than being an avid user and
> moderator / creator of some of the links mentioned above.
>
> Let me know what you think, I will be adding a sheet of "essential
> FLOSS local links" to our promo material and it will include
> http://floss.shapado.com/.
Likewise I am not a big fan of hosting my data in someone else home
and should we run something similar on SFD servers that will have to
go through integration with existing services as much as possible, and
familiarity from the admins.
So no Shapado right now obviously, but working out a nice Q&A section
will be added on the todos.
Thanks a lot.
Fred
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fabian Rodriguez Montral, QC, Canada
> http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab ~
> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Montreal
>
>
>
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> list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org
> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 00:24:33 +0800
From: Frederic Muller - SFI <fred@softwarefreedomday.org>
Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] Using the Shapado Q&A for "post-SFD" suport
To: sfd-discuss@sf-day.org
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On 09/10/2011 07:08 PM, Fabi?n Rodr?guez wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> As many of you, ** after Sept. 17 ** I anticipate the questions and
> requests for help from people that will discover free software or
> will become more curious about it with this event.
I think that's a great point and we should definitely keep a section for
visitors ending up on sfd website and looking for more information
between each celebration (or as a direct follow up of SFD).
>
> I'd like to propose we show participants how to use Shapado FLOSS,
> a Q&A site where questions can be asked in most any language,
> while providing a reputation/score system for questions and
> answers: http://floss.shapado.com/
>
> This is powered by Shapado, and hasn't seen much exposure/use yet,
> but works well. Other FLOSS projects have adopted the same engine,
> creating microsites which share authentication and resources:
> http://ask.debian.net/ (official) http://owncloud.shapado.com/
> (official) http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ (unofficial)
> http://ubuntu.shapado.com/ (unofficial)
Looks very much like a discussion forum to me (with voting, though
voting seems to only be handled as a tag and not to push stuff up by
default).
A Q&A section should on the contrary not be a discussion area but a
carefully planned answer list to what people may or may not be thinking
about. Any missing question should then be asked through our normal
communication channels. As I have been saying in the past I don't
think mailing lists (or GMANE) are well suited for people wanting to
ask a one time question (one may argue that Google probably is... ;-)
) or for people who simply do not like mailing lists.
> ..
>
> And the list goes on.
>
> For general FLOSS questions, including Mac/Windows related ones, I
> find this may be an excellent way to provide post-SFD support and
> assistance to the people we will meet. It provides several
> advantages over forums and newsgroups, while presenting a
> multilingual web interface that is easier to use and builds
> FAQ-like knowledge over time.
>
> Shapado has an IRC channel if anyone here has questions (#shapado
> on Freenode) and of course dogfoods its own Q&A at Shapado.com. If
> anyone wants to help with the admin/graphic design or moderation
> of the FLOSS microsite, please come by IRC and ask around. I have
> no other connection with the project than being an avid user and
> moderator / creator of some of the links mentioned above.
>
> Let me know what you think, I will be adding a sheet of "essential
> FLOSS local links" to our promo material and it will include
> http://floss.shapado.com/.
Likewise I am not a big fan of hosting my data in someone else home
and should we run something similar on SFD servers that will have to
go through integration with existing services as much as possible, and
familiarity from the admins.
So no Shapado right now obviously, but working out a nice Q&A section
will be added on the todos.
Thanks a lot.
Fred
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fabian Rodriguez Montral, QC, Canada
> http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab ~
> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Montreal
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ SFD-discuss
> mailing list SFD-discuss@sf-day.org
> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:09:14 +0100
From: Michael Dorrington <michael.dorrington@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] JoinDiaspora and other SaaS alternatives
To: sfd-discuss@sf-day.org
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On 10/09/11 12:13, Fabi?n Rodr?guez wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> If you are on Diaspora's main pod (at joindiaspora.com) please consider
> adding me to your aspects -> magicfab@joindiaspora.com
>
> If you are not but would like to be, please email me offlist with your
> preferred email address and I can send you an invite. To find out more
> about Diaspora, see:
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Diaspora
This refers to the software (but there isn't much on it):
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Diaspora_%28software%29
(At least :) Two things concern me about Diaspora:
1. The ability of the project to write secure code. Writing secure code
is essential for a project of this kind.
http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/09/22/security-lessons-learned-from-the-diaspora-launch/
2. The contributor agreement.
http://www.vedetta.com/a-few-notes-on-diaspora-the-diaspora-verdict
The agreement itself is on Google Docs and requires a login to view it.
FaiF?
Mike.
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sir..
can we have your message for our event?
just a few sentence of our message including the name of our school..
because our panel of reactors demand that we should have the message from you to satisfy all the sponsors we have?
sir pls??
can we?