But in our participation 'Hacker' now means tech savvies as opposed to the meaning of Hacker= Cracker in the wiki i've clearly pointed to RFC1329 that distinguishes and defines Hacker and cracker... I apologise to all of you for all that's happened in our effort to bring "ETHICAL" Hacking (White Hating) to spread FOSS. We had been blind about what spreading freedom means.... I pleade you people to encourage all the new ideas from my teammates only if you feel it goes with the free software philosophy... I welcome criticism... I've been too side-changing which i had to be coz i (we) love fs movement and want to be a solemn part of it... All our moves will be posted on the wiki before conducting any operation and also in this thread of the mailing list... please continue the support... On 8/3/08, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Thilo Pfennig <tp@pfennigsolutions.de> wrote:
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Janet Hawtin schrieb:
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili@gmail.com> wrote:
There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy.
Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss.
I do not think that there is such an ethos. FLOSS only means open source and free licenses, nothiung more. It should not be extended. FLOSS can also mean commercial software which gives users no choice. If you want more or something different you should find a new term.
FLOSS Free Libre Open Source Software maps to the 4 freedoms of the Free Software Foundation. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html RMS is clear on this matter: "In this freedom, it is the user's purpose that matters, not the developer's purpose; you as a user are free to run a program for your purposes, and if you distribute it to someone else, she is then free to run it for her purposes, but you are not entitled to impose your purposes on her."
An on "hackers" - "Hackers" are also coders. So no hackers, no FLOSS. But I also think intruding computers does no good promotion for FLOSS. But as a hacker you can show how easy a Windows computer can be intruded.
You are using the word hacker to mean someone who intrudes not someone who codes. If even the people participating cannot distinguish between coding and intruding then it is best not to engage in the activity or use the term.
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