Hi there, Dillo-0.7.2 is ready for download at the website. The announcement is delayed one day or two to give enough time for the .deb (and maybe a .rpm) to be already packaged when it goes public. Enjoy Jorge.-
On Tuesday 29 April 2003 03:24 pm, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
Dillo-0.7.2 is ready for download at the website. The announcement is delayed one day or two to give enough time for the .deb (and maybe a .rpm) to be already packaged when it goes public.
RPMs for Red Hat 7.3 and 9 are up at http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo.html -- Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org
Love it! It even picks up my mouse-wheel on the bottom scrollbar, Galeon and Mozilla would never do that! I love you guys! Oh, but one little thing, it would be nice to be able to middle-click on the browser to load a URL, but I'll wait for that, hell I didn't even look for a TODO. On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:43:23-0700 Kelson Vibber<kelson@pobox.com> wrote:
On Tuesday 29 April 2003 03:24 pm, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
Dillo-0.7.2 is ready for download at the website. The announcement is delayed one day or two to give enough time for the .deb (and maybe a .rpm) to be already packaged when it goes public.
RPMs for Red Hat 7.3 and 9 are up at http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo.html
-- Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Joe Hill wrote:
Love it! It even picks up my mouse-wheel on the bottom scrollbar, Galeon and Mozilla would never do that!
I love you guys!
Oh, but one little thing, it would be nice to be able to middle-click on the browser to load a URL, but I'll wait for that, hell I didn't even look for a TODO.
I second that. The middle button currently scrolls the page when dragged, but it should be easy to tell the difference between a click and a drag. -Lars -- Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| Hårdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |---------------------------- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbasket?
On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Joe Hill wrote:
Oh, but one little thing, it would be nice to be able to middle-click on the browser to load a URL, but I'll wait for that, hell I didn't even look for a TODO.
Currently, button 2 is bound to dragging, which some people find quite useful. Personally, I'm nearly satisfied with "Clear URL" button, pasting into the entry, and pressing enter. Perhaps these three actions could be shortcut to pressing button 2 in the "Clear URL" button (of course, the tooltip should then make this clear). (BTW, I was not aware of this feature in Netscape, until there was a similar thread on this list, some time ago :-) On Wed, Apr 30, Lars Clausen wrote:
I second that. The middle button currently scrolls the page when dragged, but it should be easy to tell the difference between a click and a drag.
It is actually a bit more complicated, since you cannot assume that the user won't move the mouse when he wants to paste the URL. So you have to define a limit (e.g. 5 pixels), and perhaps even make it customizable, since every user has a different ability to use the mouse. Up from here, it gets a bit too complicated to become a useful feature. Sebastian
On Fri, 2 May 2003, Sebastian Geerken wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Joe Hill wrote:
Oh, but one little thing, it would be nice to be able to middle-click on the browser to load a URL, but I'll wait for that, hell I didn't even look for a TODO.
Currently, button 2 is bound to dragging, which some people find quite useful. Personally, I'm nearly satisfied with "Clear URL" button, pasting into the entry, and pressing enter. Perhaps these three actions could be shortcut to pressing button 2 in the "Clear URL" button (of course, the tooltip should then make this clear).
That'd be an improvement, but it's still annoying to have to find the button with the mouse.
(BTW, I was not aware of this feature in Netscape, until there was a similar thread on this list, some time ago :-)
This is one of my favorite features of Netscape. It's like drag-and-drop.
On Wed, Apr 30, Lars Clausen wrote:
I second that. The middle button currently scrolls the page when dragged, but it should be easy to tell the difference between a click and a drag.
It is actually a bit more complicated, since you cannot assume that the user won't move the mouse when he wants to paste the URL. So you have to define a limit (e.g. 5 pixels), and perhaps even make it customizable, since every user has a different ability to use the mouse. Up from here, it gets a bit too complicated to become a useful feature.
On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 08:32:03PM +0200, Sebastian Geerken wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Joe Hill wrote:
Oh, but one little thing, it would be nice to be able to middle-click on the browser to load a URL, but I'll wait for that, hell I didn't even look for a TODO.
Currently, button 2 is bound to dragging, which some people find quite useful. Personally, I'm nearly satisfied with "Clear URL" button, pasting into the entry, and pressing enter. Perhaps these three actions could be shortcut to pressing button 2 in the "Clear URL" button (of course, the tooltip should then make this clear).
(BTW, I was not aware of this feature in Netscape, until there was a similar thread on this list, some time ago :-)
It's a bit of a misfeature, if you ask me. In Mozilla (as in Dillo), I often middle-click to open links in a new window or tab. If I miss the link by a pixel or two, suddenly the current Mozilla window is trying to load whatever happened to be in the clipboard. A great replacement feature (IMO) would be to replicate Mozilla's behavior only when the user middle-clicks directly on the location bar. It's intuitive, and it shouldn't get in the way of Dillo's nifty middle-button-drag panning. Paul Pelzl
On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 03:36:21PM -0400, Paul Pelzl wrote:
On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 08:32:03PM +0200, Sebastian Geerken wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Joe Hill wrote:
Oh, but one little thing, it would be nice to be able to middle-click on the browser to load a URL, but I'll wait for that, hell I didn't even look for a TODO.
Currently, button 2 is bound to dragging, which some people find quite useful. Personally, I'm nearly satisfied with "Clear URL" button, pasting into the entry, and pressing enter. Perhaps these three actions could be shortcut to pressing button 2 in the "Clear URL" button (of course, the tooltip should then make this clear).
(BTW, I was not aware of this feature in Netscape, until there was a similar thread on this list, some time ago :-)
It's a bit of a misfeature, if you ask me. In Mozilla (as in Dillo), I often middle-click to open links in a new window or tab. If I miss the link by a pixel or two, suddenly the current Mozilla window is trying to load whatever happened to be in the clipboard.
A great replacement feature (IMO) would be to replicate Mozilla's behavior only when the user middle-clicks directly on the location bar. It's intuitive, and it shouldn't get in the way of Dillo's nifty middle-button-drag panning.
On second thought, that would certainly cause confusion if the location bar is already focused. Nevermind. Middle-clicking the Clear URL button would be nice. Paul
On Fri, 2 May 2003 16:35:08 -0400 Paul Pelzl <pelzlpj@eecs.umich.edu> wrote:
On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 03:36:21PM -0400, Paul Pelzl wrote:
On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 08:32:03PM +0200, Sebastian Geerken wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Joe Hill wrote:
Oh, but one little thing, it would be nice to be able to middle-click on the browser to load a URL, but I'll wait for that, hell I didn't even look for a TODO.
Currently, button 2 is bound to dragging, which some people find quite useful. Personally, I'm nearly satisfied with "Clear URL" button, pasting into the entry, and pressing enter. Perhaps these three actions could be shortcut to pressing button 2 in the "Clear URL" button (of course, the tooltip should then make this clear).
(BTW, I was not aware of this feature in Netscape, until there was a similar thread on this list, some time ago :-)
It's a bit of a misfeature, if you ask me. In Mozilla (as in Dillo), I often middle-click to open links in a new window or tab. If I miss the link by a pixel or two, suddenly the current Mozilla window is trying to load whatever happened to be in the clipboard.
It is a standard feature that I would bet dollars to doughnuts millions of people use with Mozilla, Galeon, Skipstone, etc. etc. etc. Since "open link in new window/tab" can be easily configured according to the users prefs (alt-middle-click, or even just "always open link in new browser/tab" which is my personal fav), the"middle click loads URL in clipboard" should be the standard. As far as the "middle click to drag", only people without a wheelmouse would miss that, and in my opinion, dragging some web pages is, well, a drag. For a page like Slashdot, that's a lot of "drag, pick up mouse, drag, pick up mouse, ..." One question linking this issue to the coding of apps in general, where "bloat" is an issue, does offering a greater variety of config options contribute to said "bloat"? If not, then all of this could be settled by building in options for the user to choose themselves, whether at build time or in the prefs dialogue. Of course all of this is "IMHO" ;)
A great replacement feature (IMO) would be to replicate Mozilla's behavior only when the user middle-clicks directly on the location bar. It's intuitive, and it shouldn't get in the way of Dillo's nifty middle-button-drag panning.
On second thought, that would certainly cause confusion if the location bar is already focused. Nevermind.
Middle-clicking the Clear URL button would be nice.
Paul
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On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 01:35:03 -0400, Joe Hill wrote:
As far as the "middle click to drag", only people without a wheelmouse would miss that, and in my opinion, dragging some web pages is, well, a drag. For a page like Slashdot, that's a lot of "drag, pick up mouse, drag, pick up mouse, ..."
But you are forgotting horizontal dragging alltogether! The "hold button 2" -drag is one of the key points of Dillos mouse useability. One can even look at a big screenshot in a small window easily and quickly, something no other browser seems to enable. -- shared
On Sat, 03 May 2003 09:30:35 +0300 Jyri Jokinen <shared@surffi.net> wrote:
On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 01:35:03 -0400, Joe Hill wrote:
As far as the "middle click to drag", only people without a wheelmouse would miss that, and in my opinion, dragging some web pages is, well, a drag. For a page like Slashdot, that's a lot of "drag, pick up mouse, drag, pick up mouse, ..."
But you are forgotting horizontal dragging alltogether!
The "hold button 2" -drag is one of the key points of Dillos mouse useability. One can even look at a big screenshot in a small window easily and quickly, something no other browser seems to enable.
very true! and as I pointed out in an earlier thread, I am thrilled that I can now use my mouse wheel to scroll sideways, which as you say, no other browser will do. sorry, but I just love the middle-click to URL too much to give up the fight, I really hope this at least becomes an option in Dillo. you have to admit that viewing huge screenshots is going to be a less-regular occurrence than would justify a hard-coded feature like that. It's _nice_ but not as easily justifiable as loading a URL which happens to some of us hundreds of times daily.
-- shared
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On Sat, 3 May 2003 01:35:03 -0400, Joe Hill <joehill@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2003 16:35:08 -0400 Paul Pelzl <pelzlpj@eecs.umich.edu> wrote: clipboard" should be the standard. As far as the "middle click to drag", only people without a wheelmouse would miss that, and in my opinion,
i have mouses with wheel and without and love the click&drag in both kind of mouse i like also the wheel for many things, but for browsing i prefer the drag, specially in pages that i also need horizontal scrool this is a thing that i miss when i have to use mozilla
dragging some web pages is, well, a drag. For a page like Slashdot, that's a lot of "drag, pick up mouse, drag, pick up mouse, ..."
well i think the same about the wheel, rolling the wheel for lot of time to reach the other end... but most of the time we only do small drags, just like small wheel rolling
A great replacement feature (IMO) would be to replicate Mozilla's behavior only when the user middle-clicks directly on the location bar. It's intuitive, and it shouldn't get in the way of Dillo's nifty middle-button-drag panning.
as this one can be problematic, how about shift middle click to do the paste? and how about middle click in the status bar and/or in any part of the toolbar, minus the location bar that should do the normal paste always higuita -- Naturally the common people don't want war... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. -- Hermann Goering, Nazi and war criminal, 1883-1946
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as this one can be problematic, how about shift middle click to do the paste? and how about middle click in the status bar and/or in any part of the toolbar, minus the location bar that should do the normal paste always
I think that would be a fair compromise :)
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