Re: Debian Packages of 2.2.1
Hi Axel, On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:38:28PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote:
Hi Klaumi, hi Jorge,
Klaumi Klingsporn schrieb am Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 03:32:57PM +0200:
only to let you know: I built some Debian packages of the stable release 2.2.1 today which can be found at:
Looks as it the binary package is statically linked against FLTK 2 which is not part of the source package nor in the build-dependencies, i.e. it must be installed manually to be able to build the package. Ugly, but understable.
FLTK 2 never was in Debian mainly because first it had a non-free license, and when that was fixed it became deprecated.
Yes, we worked on the license issue with the FLTK team...
Being an alpha-version was way less the problem. Such things can go into Debian Experimental and often also do.
Sure, and policy was the main obstacle for all distros. (absolutely understandable to my taste).
[...] After doing that I saw, that Axel Beckert just built packages of dillo3 for experimental.
Yep, did that at DebCamp between the timestamp of the 2.2.1 ChangeLog (17.7., see http://hg.dillo.org/dillo/file/tip/ChangeLog) and when it was uploaded (26.7. according to http://www.dillo.org/download/). So the release of 2.2.1 was new to me. (I really should subscribe to the Dillo ML. :-)
Or you can subscribe to freshmeat for the announcements. (and avoid the mailing-list traffic).
I packaged Dillo 3 as that's the only Dillo version which currently compiles in Debian, i.e. with all build-dependencies available in Debian.
So hopefully Dillo will return to Debian in near future.
As soon as Dillo 3 has been released I plan to upload it to unstable, too. FLTK 1.3 is in unstable only for a few weeks yet, too, as the final release happened there just recently, too. It was in experimental for half a year or so before.
Good! We have dillo-3.0 scheduled for release in August. (BTW, fltk-1.3 already made it into squeeze). Thanks for the update. -- Cheers Jorge.-
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@dillo.org> wrote:
?(BTW, fltk-1.3 already made it into squeeze).
wheezy :-)
?Thanks for the update.
Thx for work, pls gettextize (or i14e ;-)) Dillo - thx a lot! -- SZERV?C Attila - composer http://google.com/search?q=szerv?c
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 08:11:16PM +0200, SZERV?C Attila wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@dillo.org> wrote:
?(BTW, fltk-1.3 already made it into squeeze).
wheezy :-)
Yes, I'm a bit overworked these days...
?Thanks for the update.
Thx for work, pls gettextize (or i14e ;-)) Dillo - thx a lot!
That'd be good to have... -- Cheers Jorge.-
Jorge wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 08:11:16PM +0200, SZERV?C Attila wrote:
Thx for work, pls gettextize (or i14e ;-)) Dillo - thx a lot!
That'd be good to have...
This intrigues me; I'll look into this unless someone who already knows their way around gettext wants to volunteer...?
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 07:19:37PM +0000, corvid wrote:
Jorge wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 08:11:16PM +0200, SZERV?C Attila wrote:
Thx for work, pls gettextize (or i14e ;-)) Dillo - thx a lot!
That'd be good to have...
This intrigues me; I'll look into this unless someone who already knows their way around gettext wants to volunteer...?
AFAIR, the main issue here is handling resizes. -- Cheers Jorge.-
Jorge wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 07:19:37PM +0000, corvid wrote:
Jorge wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 08:11:16PM +0200, SZERV?C Attila wrote:
Thx for work, pls gettextize (or i14e ;-)) Dillo - thx a lot!
That'd be good to have...
This intrigues me; I'll look into this unless someone who already knows their way around gettext wants to volunteer...?
AFAIR, the main issue here is handling resizes.
Can you elaborate? What I know about gettext is just about exactly zilch, being an English speaker and all...
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 07:35:06PM +0000, corvid wrote:
Jorge wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 07:19:37PM +0000, corvid wrote:
Jorge wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 08:11:16PM +0200, SZERV?C Attila wrote:
Thx for work, pls gettextize (or i14e ;-)) Dillo - thx a lot!
That'd be good to have...
This intrigues me; I'll look into this unless someone who already knows their way around gettext wants to volunteer...?
AFAIR, the main issue here is handling resizes.
Can you elaborate? What I know about gettext is just about exactly zilch, being an English speaker and all...
In a nutshell, you can wrap the strings in the code: "Open" becomes _("open") and gettext does the job of providing the closest string given local settings [1]. On most toolkits widget resize is automatic, but with FLTK there's a need to articulate the resize "by hand". Imagine we have our "tools" button, and we use gettext with a spanish local: .-----. C / Tools '-----' "Tools" becomes "Herramientas", what happens with out button? .-----. C / Herra '-----' or .------------. C / Herramientas '------------' (FWIW, I don't know the answer). [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettext -- Cheers Jorge.-
Here's a big blob of gunk that, in a Spanish locale, makes the Tools button try to say "Herramientas" and only have room for "Herramient". http://www.dillo.org/test/gettext.0.diff.bz2 No doubt it'll fail to configure/compile/work if someone tries it, but...
On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 05:57:22AM +0000, corvid wrote:
Here's a big blob of gunk that, in a Spanish locale, makes the Tools button try to say "Herramientas" and only have room for "Herramient".
http://www.dillo.org/test/gettext.0.diff.bz2
No doubt it'll fail to configure/compile/work if someone tries it, but...
This is surely non-trivial. I'd schedule it for dillo-3.1. -- Cheers Jorge.-
Jorge wrote:
On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 05:57:22AM +0000, corvid wrote:
Here's a big blob of gunk that, in a Spanish locale, makes the Tools button try to say "Herramientas" and only have room for "Herramient".
http://www.dillo.org/test/gettext.0.diff.bz2
No doubt it'll fail to configure/compile/work if someone tries it, but...
This is surely non-trivial. I'd schedule it for dillo-3.1.
Right, this isn't intended as an effort to get the code in, but rather to show the general shape of what would apparently need to be done if we go in this direction.
I'll upload the package in Debian as soon as dillo will be released ;) Devid On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@dillo.org> wrote:
Hi Axel,
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:38:28PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote:
Hi Klaumi, hi Jorge,
Klaumi Klingsporn schrieb am Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 03:32:57PM +0200:
only to let you know: I built some Debian packages of the stable release 2.2.1 today which can be found at:
Looks as it the binary package is statically linked against FLTK 2 which is not part of the source package nor in the build-dependencies, i.e. it must be installed manually to be able to build the package. Ugly, but understable.
FLTK 2 never was in Debian mainly because first it had a non-free license, and when that was fixed it became deprecated.
?Yes, we worked on the license issue with the FLTK team...
Being an alpha-version was way less the problem. Such things can go into Debian Experimental and often also do.
?Sure, and policy was the main obstacle for all distros. (absolutely understandable to my taste).
[...] After doing that I saw, that Axel Beckert just built packages of dillo3 for experimental.
Yep, did that at DebCamp between the timestamp of the 2.2.1 ChangeLog (17.7., see http://hg.dillo.org/dillo/file/tip/ChangeLog) and when it was uploaded (26.7. according to http://www.dillo.org/download/). So the release of 2.2.1 was new to me. (I really should subscribe to the Dillo ML. :-)
?Or you can subscribe to freshmeat for the announcements. (and avoid the mailing-list traffic).
I packaged Dillo 3 as that's the only Dillo version which currently compiles in Debian, i.e. with all build-dependencies available in Debian.
So hopefully Dillo will return to Debian in near future.
As soon as Dillo 3 has been released I plan to upload it to unstable, too. FLTK 1.3 is in unstable only for a few weeks yet, too, as the final release happened there just recently, too. It was in experimental for half a year or so before.
?Good!
?We have dillo-3.0 scheduled for release in August.
?(BTW, fltk-1.3 already made it into squeeze).
?Thanks for the update.
-- ?Cheers ?Jorge.-
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Hi Devid, On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 08:25:18PM +0200, Devid Antonio Filoni wrote:
I'll upload the package in Debian as soon as dillo will be released ;)
What package? Dillo 3 is already in Debian. :-) Just in experimental yet, but I'll upload it to unstable surely, too. Do you want to become co-maintainer? I'm maintaining the dillo package in Debian via a git repository on Alioth: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/dillo.git To get write access, you'll need an Alioth account (you already have one as I see) and be member of the collab-maint group (you don't seem to be member yet, but it should need nothing more than just applying for it). Kind regards, Axel -- /~\ Plain Text Ribbon Campaign | Axel Beckert \ / Say No to HTML in E-Mail and News | abe@deuxchevaux.org (Mail) X See http://www.asciiribbon.org/ | abe@noone.org (Mail+Jabber) / \ I love long mails: http://email.is-not-s.ms/ | http://noone.org/abe/ (Web)
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