Well, I managed to install SuSE 8.2 on my system. (It wasn't easy, mainly because the installer doesn't seem to be very forgiving of FTP interruptions.) I have a first try at an RPM built on SuSE with the SuSE menu structure. The main thing that's missing is the icon for the menu item. The only places I could find for icons seemed to be in either /opt/kde or /opt/gnome, and I didn't want to place it there. If anyone knows where desktop-independent menu icons should go on SuSE, please tell me! Here are the latest RPM download statistics: 283 Red Hat 9 avg 9.8/day 225 SRPM avg 7.8/day 189 Red Hat 8 avg 6.5/day 174 Red Hat 7 avg 6.0/day 32 Mandrake 9 avg 5.3/day (available for 6 days) 5 SuSE 8 avg 1.7/day (available for 3 days, not announced) The Mandrake stats may catch up with Red Hat 7 after search engines pick up the changes. On the other hand, I have discovered some other Mandrake and SuSE RPMS out there, so some people may be going to those sources instead. Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org