First of all would like to thank you for this great little web browser. You are doing a really good job. Keep it up! :) Now let's move on to issues & suggestions. Issues: 1) When trying to login to gmail I get a big ugly warning saying: "Non standard meta refresh tag". The "here" link doesn't work. gmail basic html view works ok with links-hacked & elinks. So, I guess, that shouldn't be hard to fix. 2) With the latest dillo2 version (I think this bug was introduced only recently, as I tested dillo2 from cvs not so long ago & it wasn't present) the menu is "teared off" when pressed. Here is a screenshot: http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5211/dillomenuxu9.png and dillorc I use: http://pastebin.com/f42244f75 3) What happened to frame support? dillo 0.8.6 was able to display them without any problems. Also I don't know what's causing that but going to www.polarhome.com/~hakim pops-up "save as" window (Writing this here because the site has frames). 4) Some keyboard shortcuts are missing. I didn't find shortcuts for: Home, Stop, Save, bookmark current page. 5) When clicked on a link to some file which is not web page dillo should bring up a window asking where I want to save it instead of displaying warning saying it's not a txt file. Suggestions: 1) Currently there doesn't seem to be a way to navigate bookmarks with keyboard. Plus I think it would be way better if bookmarks manager wasn't just an html file (for speed & additional features like bookmarks toolbar). 2) History and address autocompletion (which could come with history) imho is needed a lot. 3) Both history & bookmarks could be saved in sqlite db. 4) web page source code could be searchable and code highlighting could be added too. 5) Both web page source & downloads should be opened in a new tab instead of new window (or at least there could be an option for that). 6) When closing dillo with multiple tabs open, it always asks if I really want to do that. There could be an option "Don't ask again" like in other browsers. 7) Let's say I typed sth in a text field, then changed my mind and want to go to previous page. The thing is, I can't do that using keyboard shortcut anymore (I have to click BACK button with mouse). Escape keyboard key could "escape" from the text field and enable keyboard navigation in this case. 8) Also I am really missing "Copy current URL location" which is present in links-hacked right-click menu. Maybe this could be added to dillo too? -- Brain: an apparatus with which we think we think. - A. Bierce
Tomas wrote:
I don't know what's causing that but going to www.polarhome.com/~hakim pops-up "save as" window
If you have show_msg=YES in your dillorc, you get a message about the content-type not being viewable.
5) When clicked on a link to some file which is not web page dillo should bring up a window asking where I want to save it instead of displaying warning saying it's not a txt file.
I don't understand what the difference is between this and the polarhome one that you just mentioned. Or are you saying a link to a local file? In general, it sounds like you're accustomed to a dillo with third-party patches.
Tomas wrote:
I don't know what's causing that but going to www.polarhome.com/~hakim pops-up "save as" window
If you have show_msg=YES in your dillorc, you get a message about the content-type not being viewable. My mistake - Content-type was indicated incorrectly though dillo is
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:50:39 +0000 "corvid" <corvid@lavabit.com> wrote: the first browser not to render it.
5) When clicked on a link to some file which is not web page dillo should bring up a window asking where I want to save it instead of displaying warning saying it's not a txt file.
I don't understand what the difference is between this and the polarhome one that you just mentioned. Or are you saying a link to a local file?
The difference is that in the polarhome case it pops up a "save as" window & in this one it doesn't (even it should). The web page I used here is http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html (try to click on any file which should be downloaded). -- Brain: an apparatus with which we think we think. - A. Bierce
Tomas wrote:
My mistake - Content-type was indicated incorrectly though dillo is the first browser not to render it.
I think the idea is that we don't want to render application/xhtml+xml when we wouldn't be guaranteeing that it's valid.
The difference is that in the polarhome case it pops up a "save as" window & in this one it doesn't (even it should). The web page I used here is http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html (try to click on any file which should be downloaded).
Oh, I see now. I'll patch that if nobody comes up with a reason why I shouldn't. (It's the only AbortEntry case where OfferDownload isn't set, so it might be deliberate.)
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 01:08:36AM +0000, corvid wrote:
Tomas wrote:
My mistake - Content-type was indicated incorrectly though dillo is the first browser not to render it.
I think the idea is that we don't want to render application/xhtml+xml when we wouldn't be guaranteeing that it's valid.
Yes. The standard requires a validating browser. BTW, dillo CAN render the page without problems, it's disabled because of the standard.
The difference is that in the polarhome case it pops up a "save as" window & in this one it doesn't (even it should). The web page I used here is http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html (try to click on any file which should be downloaded).
Oh, I see now. I'll patch that if nobody comes up with a reason why I shouldn't. (It's the only AbortEntry case where OfferDownload isn't set, so it might be deliberate.)
A type mismatch between what the server says it is sending and the actual data, is taken with suspicion by dillo. Unfortunately some servers send downloadable files as text/plain, relying on the data guessing made by the browser (last option as from the SPECs). This is the case. Now, considering that when the server doesn't send Content-Type there's no mismatch, I think it's safe to offer a download. It be good to get a message with the mismatched types on the console too. -- Cheers Jorge.-
Tomas wrote:
1) When trying to login to gmail I get a big ugly warning saying: "Non standard meta refresh tag". The "here" link doesn't work. gmail basic html view works ok with links-hacked & elinks. So, I guess, that shouldn't be hard to fix.
If I enable cookies for mail.google.com and enable https, the "here" link gets me to a login screen.
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 06:22:59PM +0300, Tomas R wrote:
First of all would like to thank you for this great little web browser. You are doing a really good job. Keep it up! :)
:) I'd like to know why you consider it great, and what you use it for.
[...] 2) With the latest dillo2 version (I think this bug was introduced only recently, as I tested dillo2 from cvs not so long ago & it wasn't present) the menu is "teared off" when pressed. Here is a screenshot: http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5211/dillomenuxu9.png and dillorc I use: http://pastebin.com/f42244f75
Not a bug but a feature! The detached menu allows for two things: 1.- Popup menu working with Alt-F shortcut even when the "File" item is hidden. 2.- Simpler code and improved panel configuraion flexibility.
3) What happened to frame support? dillo 0.8.6 was able to display them without any problems.
Frame support never was inside official dillo. It may be added in the near future, provided an interested developer commits to help with it. (most probably we'll be more focused on CSS, and bug fixes).
4) Some keyboard shortcuts are missing. I didn't find shortcuts for: Home, Stop, Save, bookmark current page.
Right, that set doesn't have a keyboard shortcut yet.
Suggestions:
2) History and address autocompletion (which could come with history) imho is needed a lot.
Could be.
3) Both history & bookmarks could be saved in sqlite db.
We aim to be light, fast and low on dependencies. You can easily get dillo bookmarks from ~/.dillo/bm.txt, it's a text file that mainly has lines like this: <section> <URL> <TITLE>
4) web page source code could be searchable and code highlighting could be added too.
Searching source code is planned (most probably as a dpi). Some Highlighting may be added too.
6) When closing dillo with multiple tabs open, it always asks if I really want to do that. There could be an option "Don't ask again" like in other browsers.
Surprising!
7) Let's say I typed sth in a text field, then changed my mind and want to go to previous page. The thing is, I can't do that using keyboard shortcut anymore (I have to click BACK button with mouse). Escape keyboard key could "escape" from the text field and enable keyboard navigation in this case.
Yes you can. Press TAB to get out of the location bar, and then use the keyboard shortcut for Back or Forward.
8) Also I am really missing "Copy current URL location" which is present in links-hacked right-click menu. Maybe this could be added to dillo too?
Yes, it may be handy. Do you use it to drop the URL into a full blown browser? BTW, please bear in mind that we need more manpower (i.e. developers). Currently our current plans are more than enough workload. Now, if some handy suggestions (like some of these) are easy to implement, we'd be glad to help. -- Cheers Jorge.-
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:35:49 -0300 Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@dillo.org> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 06:22:59PM +0300, Tomas R wrote: > > > > First of all would like to thank you for this great little web > > browser. You are doing a really good job. Keep it up! :) > > :) > > I'd like to know why you consider it great, > and what you use it for. > It starts instantly, loads pages also pretty fast, has tabs, anti-aliasing, persistent cookies, ssl, smooth scrolling, unicode & many other encoding support, bug meter, nice download manager and most importantly NO stupid flash & other ads. Even currently I am pretty used to links-hacked, but that might change soon :) Compared to dillo2, links-hacked still uses less resources, has handy one button keyboard shortcuts for most things, very basic javascript support and frame support, but its grey background is kinda depressing, you have to right click on a link to some download and choose "download link" to save it, sometimes you have to click twice on a link for it to start loading it, manually refresh pages and jumping through form fields with <tab> key doesn't work. > > [...] > > 2) With the latest dillo2 version (I think this bug was introduced > > only recently, as I tested dillo2 from cvs not so long ago & it > > wasn't present) the menu is "teared off" when pressed. Here is a > > screenshot: > > http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5211/dillomenuxu9.png > > and dillorc I use: > > http://pastebin.com/f42244f75 > > Not a bug but a feature! > > The detached menu allows for two things: > > 1.- Popup menu working with Alt-F shortcut even when the "File" > item is hidden. > 2.- Simpler code and improved panel configuraion flexibility. Even from dev's perspective it might seem as a feature but from user's - it's an ugly bug. > > 3) What happened to frame support? dillo 0.8.6 was able to display > > them without any problems. > > Frame support never was inside official dillo. > It may be added in the near future, provided an interested > developer commits to help with it. > > (most probably we'll be more focused on CSS, and bug fixes). Couldn't you just copy some code from the patch used with old dillo? Patched source here -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/dillo . > > 3) Both history & bookmarks could be saved in sqlite db. > > We aim to be light, fast and low on dependencies. > You can easily get dillo bookmarks from ~/.dillo/bm.txt, > it's a text file that mainly has lines like this: > > <section> <URL> <TITLE> Sqlite is lightweight, used by many browsers & no additional dependencies are required after the source is compiled. > > 6) When closing dillo with multiple tabs open, it always asks if I > > really want to do that. There could be an option "Don't ask again" > > like in other browsers. > > Surprising! ??? > > 8) Also I am really missing "Copy current URL location" which is > > present in links-hacked right-click menu. Maybe this could be added > > to dillo too? > > Yes, it may be handy. > Do you use it to drop the URL into a full blown browser? No, to copy the link to some forum message or e-mail. > BTW, please bear in mind that we need more manpower (i.e. > developers). Currently our current plans are more than enough > workload. Now, if some handy suggestions (like some of these) are > easy to implement, we'd be glad to help. > I understand. Hope someday in the future to send you some patches. Here are few more suggestions that might be useful: 9) Currently html bug window takes whole screen - I think the old behaviour when it was shown in a small window is better. 10) Because of the lack of CSS support, many text fields a rendered unusable (i.e. http://versme.net/blog/?p=618 or http://www.klubas.lt/tv/article.php?id=18837168 ). Resizable text areas feature would be pretty handy. 11) tabs could be extended to the whole screen width - that way more information would be displayed and selecting the needed tab with mouse would be easier. Here is a screenshot showing this behavior in unofficial dillo version: http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5195/dillotabs2uj9.png -- Brain: an apparatus with which we think we think. - A. Bierce
Tomas wrote:
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:35:49 -0300 Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@dillo.org> wrote:
Couldn't you just copy some code from the patch used with old dillo? Patched source here -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/dillo .
I'm not sure that "just" is quite the right word for it.
8) Also I am really missing "Copy current URL location" which is present in links-hacked right-click menu. Maybe this could be added to dillo too?
Yes, it may be handy. Do you use it to drop the URL into a full blown browser? No, to copy the link to some forum message or e-mail.
Is copying it out of the location bar more difficult?
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:46:48 +0000 "corvid" <corvid@lavabit.com> wrote:
Tomas wrote:
8) Also I am really missing "Copy current URL location" which is present in links-hacked right-click menu. Maybe this could be added to dillo too?
Yes, it may be handy. Do you use it to drop the URL into a full blown browser? No, to copy the link to some forum message or e-mail.
Is copying it out of the location bar more difficult?
As nor Control+C, nor middle clicking on the selected URL seems to copy it for me in fluxbox it becomes a bit more difficult.
Tomas wrote:
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:46:48 +0000 "corvid" <corvid@lavabit.com> wrote:
Tomas wrote:
8) Also I am really missing "Copy current URL location" which is present in links-hacked right-click menu. Maybe this could be added to dillo too?
Yes, it may be handy. Do you use it to drop the URL into a full blown browser? No, to copy the link to some forum message or e-mail.
Is copying it out of the location bar more difficult?
As nor Control+C, nor middle clicking on the selected URL seems to copy it for me in fluxbox it becomes a bit more difficult.
(perhaps I'm revealing my ignorance when it comes to fluxbox, but...) how about triple-clicking or highlighting it?
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:29:48 +0000 "corvid" <corvid@lavabit.com> wrote:
Tomas wrote:
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:46:48 +0000 "corvid" <corvid@lavabit.com> wrote:
Tomas wrote:
8) Also I am really missing "Copy current URL location" which is present in links-hacked right-click menu. Maybe this could be added to dillo too?
Yes, it may be handy. Do you use it to drop the URL into a full blown browser? No, to copy the link to some forum message or e-mail.
Is copying it out of the location bar more difficult?
As nor Control+C, nor middle clicking on the selected URL seems to copy it for me in fluxbox it becomes a bit more difficult.
(perhaps I'm revealing my ignorance when it comes to fluxbox, but...) how about triple-clicking or highlighting it?
Triple-clicking and highlighting using mouse cursor (highlighting using Shift + Left/right key (or home/end) doesn't) does copy it. Thanks for suggestion. -- Brain: an apparatus with which we think we think. - A. Bierce
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 06:19:30PM +0300, Tomas R wrote: > > > [...] > > > 2) With the latest dillo2 version (I think this bug was introduced > > > only recently, as I tested dillo2 from cvs not so long ago & it > > > wasn't present) the menu is "teared off" when pressed. Here is a > > > screenshot: > > > http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5211/dillomenuxu9.png > > > and dillorc I use: > > > http://pastebin.com/f42244f75 > > > > Not a bug but a feature! > > > > The detached menu allows for two things: > > > > 1.- Popup menu working with Alt-F shortcut even when the "File" > > item is hidden. > > 2.- Simpler code and improved panel configuraion flexibility. > Even from dev's perspective it might seem as a feature but from user's > - it's an ugly bug. Please try current CVS. -- Cheers Jorge.-
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:35:49 -0300 Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@dillo.org> wrote:
7) Let's say I typed sth in a text field, then changed my mind and want to go to previous page. The thing is, I can't do that using keyboard shortcut anymore (I have to click BACK button with mouse). Escape keyboard key could "escape" from the text field and enable keyboard navigation in this case.
Yes you can. Press TAB to get out of the location bar, and then use the keyboard shortcut for Back or Forward. Not the location bar but text field in some form.
-- Brain: an apparatus with which we think we think. - A. Bierce
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:35:49AM -0300, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 06:22:59PM +0300, Tomas R wrote:
First of all would like to thank you for this great little web browser. You are doing a really good job. Keep it up! :)
:)
I'd like to know why you consider it great, and what you use it for.
[...] 2) With the latest dillo2 version (I think this bug was introduced only recently, as I tested dillo2 from cvs not so long ago & it wasn't present) the menu is "teared off" when pressed. Here is a screenshot: http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5211/dillomenuxu9.png and dillorc I use: http://pastebin.com/f42244f75
Not a bug but a feature!
The detached menu allows for two things:
1.- Popup menu working with Alt-F shortcut even when the "File" item is hidden. 2.- Simpler code and improved panel configuraion flexibility.
3) What happened to frame support? dillo 0.8.6 was able to display them without any problems.
Frame support never was inside official dillo. It may be added in the near future, provided an interested developer commits to help with it.
(most probably we'll be more focused on CSS, and bug fixes).
Speaking of CSS... Do you have any plans for that? It would be good if we could break that down into smaller tasks somehow. If I remember that correctly there has been a prototype once. Is this right? Cheers, Johannes
Johannes wrote:
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:35:49AM -0300, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
(most probably we'll be more focused on CSS, and bug fixes).
Speaking of CSS... Do you have any plans for that? It would be good if we could break that down into smaller tasks somehow. If I remember that correctly there has been a prototype once. Is this right?
The CSS page links to a prototype (http://www.dillo.org/download/dillo-0.8.0-css-3.tar.gz)
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