[Dillo-dev]Bug Meter suggestion
Suggestion: On of the bullet items under the "What can I do?" section of the new "About Dillo's Bug Meter" page (http://www.dillo.org/help/bug_meter.html) is ... * Help page authors and webmasters to provide standards-compliant contents (For instance, you can copy&paste the error messages produced by Dillo, and mail them to the author). While a nice idea in theory, almost no one is likely to do such a thing nearly as often as one encounters bugs in websites since it would entail one spend most of their browser time sanitizing the web rather than surfing it. Therefore, to facilitate such activity in a manner the user is likely to engage in, I suggest this be made an automatic dillo option (perhaps even the default behavior). In other words, have dillo automatically email these error messages to webmaster@wwwdomain.com so the user doesn't have to do so manually. Since computers are unbothered by the same monotony humans usually don't have much time for anyway, let the computer [via dillo] do the work here. At the very least, along side the W3C and WDG validator links in the Bug Meter, a link/exec to send such an email should be provided. If it isn't convienient (at the very least), people won't do it. -- Kyle P.S. I, for one, do about 75% of my browsing in dillo and would be happy to enable such a feature to nag lousy webmasters about their drift toward fascism in html if it were automatic. Beyond that, I might use a handy click/link/exec once in a while, but I doub't I'd ever send such a nag manually, much less often... and I'm pretty sure I'm not too unique in this regard. -- Kyle Amon email: amonk@gnutec.com url: http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk/ KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "The free man is not anti-American, but anti-imperial. America [now] revisits the time of colonizers drunk on their superiority, convinced of their liberating mission, and counting on reimbursing themselves directly." -- Regis Debray This email Copyright 2004 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 12032 Colonial Estates Lane, Riverview, FL 33569-6894: +1 (813) 689-4041 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk/. All rights reserved.
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 07:58:30AM -0400, Kyle Amon wrote:
... have dillo automatically email these error messages to webmaster@wwwdomain.com
Ahem, ... Netiquette forbids me to post a frank description of my immediate response to this. My more considered intellectual response is: *NO!* I will *never* use a program that automatically sends unsolicited email. It is morally wrong to do so. My inbox already overflows with auto-posted <unflattering_comparison_to_excreta> from <unflattering_comparison_to_genitalia>s who don't care that I don't want it. I will not join their ranks. I will not use a program that requires me to join their ranks, or even makes it possible. I very much admire the dillo project's commitment to HTML standards and I want to support your efforts. But turning dillo into a spam-generator is unacceptable. *Please* don't do it.
At the very least, along side the W3C and WDG validator links in the Bug Meter, a link/exec to send such an email should be provided.
I'm OK with that. If dillo users *want* to email HTML bug reports to webmasters then dillo should help them. I would probably use that feature myself. But user confirmation *must* be mandatory. If this post is over-the-top then I apologise. But I don't want to hide the fact that I feel strongly about this. Cheers, Jeremy
Netiquette forbids me to post a frank description of my immediate response to this.
That would be plain old etiquette. The uber-hip neologism conveys nothing beyond the meaning of it's eponymous source in this context. Furthermore, "Netiquette" was an extension of etiquette to encopmass things like not having a .signature file consisting of more than four lines and not using the internet for commercial purposes at all, by the way. Since the great barbarian seige of the internet, however, it has become abundantly clear that this once distictly meaningfull neologism is now little more than a vestigial anachronism used only by those without a proper historical frame of reference.
My more considered intellectual response is:
*NO!*
I will *never* use a program that automatically sends unsolicited email. It is morally wrong to do so. My inbox already overflows with auto-posted <unflattering_comparison_to_excreta> from <unflattering_comparison_to_genitalia>s who don't care that I don't want it. I will not join their ranks. I will not use a program that requires me to join their ranks, or even makes it possible.
Since your "considered *intellectual* response" is predicated on a moral foundation, it obviously isn't worth very much. Investigate the difference between reason and morality, and, while you're at it, lookup the meanings of C and B in UCBE. Also, since you evidently don't make the C and B spam distinction (as what constitutes spam is predominantly "in the inbox of the reciever"), you just have "join[ed] their ranks" as you clearly don't care that I didn't want this unsolicited email from you. Furthermore, I never suggested a requirement. I suggested a few options. Options are are nearly the antithesis of requirements. Relax. You're overreacting. Emotion over reason.
I very much admire the dillo project's commitment to HTML standards and I want to support your efforts. But turning dillo into a spam-generator is unacceptable. *Please* don't do it.
I admire it as well. But again, what constitutes spam is largely a matter of opinion. For example, since I am not on the Dillo mailing list (I prefer to check the archives when I see fit), I consider semi-irrational, semi-hysterical direct email responses to one of my posts to be spam in my inbox.
At the very least, along side the W3C and WDG validator links in the Bug Meter, a link/exec to send such an email should be provided.
I'm OK with that. If dillo users *want* to email HTML bug reports to webmasters then dillo should help them. I would probably use that feature myself. But user confirmation *must* be mandatory.
Again, I suggested two options, no requirements.
If this post is over-the-top then I apologise. But I don't want to hide the fact that I feel strongly about this.
Ditto. :-) -- Kyle -- Kyle Amon email: amonk@gnutec.com url: http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk/ KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "The free man is not anti-American, but anti-imperial. America [now] revisits the time of colonizers drunk on their superiority, convinced of their liberating mission, and counting on reimbursing themselves directly." -- Regis Debray This email Copyright 2004 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 12032 Colonial Estates Lane, Riverview, FL 33569-6894: +1 (813) 689-4041 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk/. All rights reserved.
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