On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Andreas Kemnade wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:36:44 -0300 (CLST) Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@dillo.org> wrote:
Hi Andi,
I just noticed four intances of the "nigerian scam" type of SPAM in dillo-dev. I'm worried because usually I also receive warning bounces from recipients telling that mail from dillo-dev may end being filetered out.
spamassassin is attached to dillo-dev now. Every message considered as spam will be deleted without notice.
Greetings Andreas Kemnade
Take note guys! If you ever feel unsure about whether a message made its way into the list, just check the archives. Cheers Jorge.- PS: Thanks Andreas.
At 09:22 AM 10/17/2003, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Andreas Kemnade wrote:
spamassassin is attached to dillo-dev now. Every message considered as spam will be deleted without notice.
I'm a bit concerned about that. From the SpamAssassin FAQ: http://spamassassin.taint.org/faq/index.cgi?req=show&file=faq01.010.htp
1.10. Is it sensible to simply delete all mail that SpamAssassin marks as being spam?
In general, no. While SpamAssassin is very good at picking out a large proportion of spam, it's impossible for a computer to do this job perfectly. You should only delete mail if you (and your users/customers) would find it acceptable to lose mail that might be legitimate. A much better idea is to filter possible spam into a separate folder that can be checked less frequently than the normal mailbox.
I've been using SpamAssassin for well over a year now. While it's very effective, there are occasionally false positives (fewer now than there used to be, but they haven't disappeared completely). If it's possible with Mailman, I'd suggest quarantining mail that SpamAssassin labels, rather than deleting it outright. Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org
On 2003-10-17 at 10:10 -0700, Kelson Vibber wrote:
I've been using SpamAssassin for well over a year now. While it's very effective, there are occasionally false positives (fewer now than there used to be, but they haven't disappeared completely). If it's possible with Mailman, I'd suggest quarantining mail that SpamAssassin labels, rather than deleting it outright.
There's one major difference. If user Fred sends mail to user Barney and Barney's spam-filters delete it, Fred never knows this. If user Fred sends mail to a mailing-list to which Fred is subscribed, Fred sees that his mail never makes it through. He can raise the issue with the list-owner, or look over his mail and think "Hrm, that was written in a poor way, wasn't it?" or whatever. There's user feedback. Jorge's shown that he understands this principle with Dillo. :^) It makes all the difference. If this is a big concern, then it might be worth a monthly mail-out of the list charter with a brief list FAQ, such as some mailing-lists used to have (and USENET certainly did). -- 2001: Blogging invented. Promises to change the way people bore strangers with banal anecdotes about their pets. <http://www.thelemon.net/issues/timeline.php>
On Friday October 17 at 10:10am Kelson Vibber <kelson@pobox.com> wrote:
I've been using SpamAssassin for well over a year now. While it's very effective, there are occasionally false positives (fewer now than there used to be, but they haven't disappeared completely). If it's possible with Mailman, I'd suggest quarantining mail that SpamAssassin labels, rather than deleting it outright.
Yeah, I use it too, it's pretty good. However, a mailing list is not anywhere near the same as a regular mailbox. Consider, that they do quarantine messages. Perhaps 1% is marked 'unsure.' Now consider that this is not the only mailing list maintained by auriga.wearlab.de. Let's assume 1000 messages per day across all mailing lists. That's 100 messages that must be scanned, every day, probably by someone who is not getting paid. Considering that I only have 87 messages in dillo-dev, and I've been watching the list for some time, thats almost 1 message lost. Could it have been some super-important message? No, because while dillo is really really cool, it's not all too critical (at least not for me). Plus, if it is super-critical, use email, not mailing lists. I, for one, really appreciate the list green-lighting this spam removal. -- -johann koenig Today is Sweetmorn, the 67th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3169 My public pgp key: http://mental-graffiti.com/pgp/johannkoenig.pgp
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